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NEVER LEAVE ME (7x09)
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A review by Mikelangelo "MikeJer" Marinaro,
April 12, 2009 @ 10:32pm PDT

Writer: Drew Goddard
Director: David Solomon

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"Never Leave Me," and to a slightly lesser extent, "Sleeper" [7x08], do what I feel is an excellent job of blending plot, character development, drama, and comedy. "Never Leave Me," in particular, also has many of the same qualities I applauded "No Place Like Home" [5x05] for, although it's not quite as polished and tight. Drew Goddard is quickly emerging as a top-tier Buffy writer. He has an incredibly adept understanding of the show's genre-blending nature and is insanely well-read on the characters. This is an episode that is buoyed on a coupled brilliant conversations between Buffy and Spike, but is assisted by a ton of awesome little things that spread the love around to all the characters and really add up to quite a fun episode.

As I just mentioned, this episode is really centered around two particularly probing Buffy and Spike conversations. Knowing this, I appreciated getting an idea of what the other characters felt about Soulful Spike the Killer. Dawn and Anya are voicing concern; Dawn being concerned about what Spike might be capable of, Anya just being practical. Xander stays out of it completely, which is interesting. Instead of getting all worked up over Spike, Xander seems to have some perspective now and clearly trusts Buffy to handle the situation herself -- he's lost that jealously and feeling that Buffy's better than Spike. I see this as a reflection of Xander's growth from last season. Buffy's not on his pedastal anymore, and is instead treating her more like a trusted friend rather than a desired girlfriend (although I still believe he'll likely always desire her on some level).

I really like Spike's soft but blunt outing of his thoughts on everything that's happened. Of particular interest is when he tells Buffy that his pain and suffering is all relative. He had to redefine what those words meant after falling in love with Buffy. Now, I can see why Buffy might take offense to that comment, but I think I understand what Spike means by it. I really don't think Spike is entirely trying to put blame on Buffy by saying this, but rather just that loving her has led him on a journey that redefines what pain and suffering means. With that said, he clearly has some blame for Buffy as well, as he just now fully realizes what it means that she used him last season. He says, "I'm feeling honest with myself. You used me. I never understood it though. Not until now. You hated yourself, and you took it out on me." This certainly doesn't excuse Spike's awful behavior at points of last season, but both characters did bad things to each other which fueled a growing flame.

Spike goes on to talk about now understanding "the violence inside." What he's talking about here is that internal struggle inside all of us -- to be good people, to strive to be better, and the guilt most of us feel when we do wrong. Spike articulates what it means to have a soul and guilt -- or self loathing -- is definitely a part of that. This entire segment beautifully summarizes what it truly means for Spike to have a soul. We can not only see and feel the difference, Spike is now also articulating the difference. Once again, the writers have done a phenomenal job synching us up with the characters' psychological state, which is then used as a spring board for new developments that are actually believeable.

Later in Buffy's basement, once Buffy explains to Spike that he's being triggered, he pleads with her to kill him. This leads him to a speech about what he's truly capable of, telling her "you got off easy too." Buffy, still acting very mature and intelligent about this, reminds Spike that he's not responsible for these recent triggered-induced actions. Soulful Spike is not the same person as Soulless Spike. Buffy knows this from experience dealing with Angel. This is why she's so quick to want to help him. Spike, on the other hand, is really letting that whole self-loathing thing overwhelm him. Being soulless for so long, it's probably easy to forget how to constructively channel that guilt. It's only human to struggle with it though.

Spike tries to make a case for how bad he is with creepy murderous knowledge he has. What's more interesting is when Spike asks one of the biggest questions of the series: "Have you ever really asked yourself why you can't do it? Off me? After everything I've done to you, to people around you. It's not love. We both know that." Spike goes on, "Don't do that. Don't rationalize this into some noble act. We both know the truth of it. You like men who hurt you." Buffy refuses to completely believe this. Though her response does insinuate that there is some truth to it before, which is true to what was going on in Season 6.

In particular, I think most of their dialogue here is referencing Season 6. Buffy hits it home with her rebuttle, "No. I don't hate like that. Not you, or myself. Not anymore. You think you have insight now because your soul's drenched in blood? You don't know me. You don't even know you. Was that you who killed those people in the cellar? Was that you who waited for those girls? ... Listen to me. You're not alive because of hate or pain. You're alive because I saw you change. Because I saw your penance." Spike's understandably in the trap of, well, self loathing and isn't really in the mood to give himself any credit whatsoever.

Buffy goes on to say, "Be easier, wouldn't it, it if were an act. But it's not. You faced the monster inside of you and you fought back. You risked everything to be a better man. And you can be. You are. You may not see it, but I do. I do. I believe in you, Spike." This is really moving and powerful stuff! The dialogue between the two of them in "Never Leave Me" not only sets up Spike's final journey, but also extremely clearly shows us why Buffy has faith in Spike, and why Spike feels the way he does. I want to stress that it's clear to me that Spike's motivation to go get his soul goes well beyond just sex. I think Buffy has it completely right. Spike did risk everything to be a better man -- a better man for Buffy. As Spike said in "Beneath You" [7x02], "What must a man do what he mustn't for her, to be hers. To be the kind of man, who would never... to be a kind of man." Spike's behavior paints a pretty consistent picture to me, and it's all built on top of what came before while simultaneously laying new foundation for the the rest of the series. This is fantastic television at work.

It's extremely beautiful that the last thing Buffy tells Spike before the Bringers flood into the house and capture Spike is "I believe in you." At that moment, Spike fully gets it, and has a newfound belief in himself. I also think Buffy communicating this belief to Spike is a direct threat to the First, which is why it mobilized the Bringers on a raid to immediately get Spike out of there. The last thing the First needs is a Spike that believes in himself and is fighting strongly on Buffy's side. This sets up the First's approach to bringing him down a notch over the next couple episodes.

The Watcher's Council headquarters (I think -- what's with the building shots being different?) being blown up is certainly quite a huge shock, especially after Quentin's "rousing speech" and a promise of another Council visit to Sunnydale and Buffy. You just don't expect something like that to happen, but then again, that's always been a staple of this series -- to do the unexpected. I really love the ambitious scope of the First's attack and how "huge" this whole thing feels. The only big problem is that the season sadly isn't able to maintain this pace for very much longer.

"Never Leave Me" is a very well-rounded episode that moves the overall story along while also giving us some key character insight and development. There's a lot of fun around the edges as well, from Willow bumping into Andrew at a butcher's shop to Anya and Xander working together to "break" a hilarious Andrew. On the more serious side, some big events happened such as the Watcher's Council being blow'd up good, the First capturing Spike, the First raising the real Ubervamp, and us being left to question whether Giles is still alive. The only thing this episode is missing is a little more character depth of the non Buffy and Spike variety. With Spike being out of focus until later in the season and the Potentials beginning to arrive in the next episode, this deficiency sadly isn't handled better until later in the season. Despite that one flaw, though, I feel this is an excellent episode.



- Minor Pros/Cons (+/-)
Pros:
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Spike telling Buffy to tighten his restraints even tighter.
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Principal Wood's tough love on some misbehaving students.
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Buffy trying to get a hold of Giles after crazy recent events. It's cool to see Quentin and the Watcher's Council back.
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Xander apparently giving Willow lectures on construction.
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The First working over Andrew is still very convincing. I can totally buy how Andrew's allowing himself to believe that Warren and now Jonathan are actually talking to him, telling him everything is just dandy.
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Andrew failing miserably at killing a pig.
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Andrew's butcher shop order.
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Andrew running into Willow! Their entire encounter is just pure awesome.
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Xander and Anya's hilarious interrogation of Andrew.
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Anya accidentally slapping Xander and silently wording "I'm sorry!"
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Spike talking about how he thought his craziness was because of his soul. Makes sense to me.
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Spike being triggered on Andrew. Damn, that's quite the ferocious attack.
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Dawn still refers to Andrew as "What's His Name!" Awesome!
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Willow's reference to Xander's brief stint "in the military" ("Halloween" [2x06]). Xander thankfully doesn't remember any of that (which has been the case since about S4), and claims the knowledge is from army movies. It's funny how another show would have so easily messed that bit of continuity up.
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Buffy going into command mode, getting the gang working on the case. Talk about a difference from the earlier seasons! It's lovely to see Buffy's development manifest itself like this.
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Principal Wood's mysterious grave digging. I really like that they played up the ambiguity on him.
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During the fight, Dawn uses a sweet move that goes back to something she learned in "Lessons" [7x01] -- love the visual reference.
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Buffy, ever the resourceful one, uses Andrew's body as a weapon. Good use!
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Buffy putting all the pieces together and realizing it's the First Evil from S3 ("Amends" [3x10]). It makes sense that the distinctive Bringers would be the ones to make everything come together in her mind.
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The Ubervamp has some really convincing make-up. It looks pretty darn menacing in my book, although I could have done without the growl that all monsters seem to have to make these days (although this is not as bad as most).
  
Cons:
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I like Spike not knowing who Andrew is, but I don't see how Buffy saying he's "Tucker's brother" makes it any clearer to Spike. I find it highly unlikely he is aware of the events of "The Prom" [3x20]. Buffy should have just said that he was working with Jonathan and Warren last year.


- Quotes
DAWN:  
Spike could've sired countless others and buried them around town. And we're waiting for him to do what, exactly? Do something crazy?
WILLOW:  
It's not that simple.
ANYA:  
Shouldn't we stab him through the chest? Isn't that what we do when these things happen?

FIRST (WARREN):  
We've got work to do.
ANDREW:  
I have to do work right now? Can't I just walk around for a while in my coat?

FIRST (WARREN):  
Hey! You know the rules. I can't take corporeal form. Here, feel. Mm-hmm.
ANDREW:  
Cool.
FIRST (WARREN):  
Pretty bitchin', right? I'm like Obi Wan.
ANDREW:  
Or Patrick Swayze.

DAWN:  
I just wanted to tell you that Buffy won't be coming in today. She's really sick.
WOOD:  
Oh, no.
DAWN:  
Yeah, last night she was vomiting, and then this morning she was vomiting some more, and then, just when we thought she was done, she was vomiting again.
WOOD:  
Yeah, we got that stomach flu going around.
DAWN:  
Her exact words were, "I've got stuff coming out of both ends."
WOOD:  
Thank you. That's... very helpful...

BUFFY:  
I need to find him as soon as possible. He's not answering any of his numbers.
QUENTIN:  
Miss Summers, the Watcher's Council does not keep track of our lapsed employees. Ever since Mr. Giles pulled up his stake in Sunnydale, we've not made it our business to follow his every move.
BUFFY:  
You don't have to get all British and dodgy, Mr. Travers. I know you have ways of finding him.

BUFFY:  
He's been feasting on humans for weeks. He's having some pretty bad withdrawls. I think we need to get him some blood.
WILLOW:  
Do you want me to kill Anya?
BUFFY:  
No, we should probably try to wean him off humans.

BUTCHER:  
Number 87.
ANDREW:  
I'd like 12 pork chops, 2 pounds of sausage..... 8 quarts of pigs blood 3 steaks, um, halibut, and, uh, some toothpaste.

ANDREW:  
Don't kill me!
WILLOW:  
I'm not gonna kill you.
ANDREW:  
Don't torture me and send me to an eternal pain dimension!
WILLOW:  
I'm not gonna!
ANDREW:  
Warren killed Tara. I didn't do it. And he was aiming for Buffy anyway.
WILLOW:  
Not making it better...
ANDREW:  
And you got your revenge. You killed my best friend. We're even.
WILLOW:  
Even? You think I get satisfaction from what I did?
ANDREW:  
Maybe not, but let me keep my skin, okay? I'm not bad. I'm not bad anymore. I'm good. I do good things now.
WILLOW:  
Then, why do you need lots and lots of blood?
ANDREW:  
I am bad. I'm bad, I'm evil, but I'm protected by powerful forces. Forces you can't even begin to imagine... little girl. If you harm me, you shall know the wrath of he that is darkness and terror. Your blood will boil, and you will know true suffering. Stand down, she-witch! Your defeat is at hand!
WILLOW:  
Shut your mouth! I am a she-witch, a very powerful she-witch, or witch, as is more accurate. I'm not to be trifled with.
ANDREW:  
But I-
WILLOW:  
I'm talking! Don't interrupt me, insignificant man. I am Willow. I am death. If you dare defy me, I will call down my fury, exact fresh vengeance, and make your worst fears come true... Okay?

XANDER:  
Why were you buying blood at the butcher shop!?
ANDREW:  
I fell in love with a beautiful vampire girl down in Meh-hee-co. Now we're trying to make a go of it on the straight and narrow, and put our lives back together here in Sunnydale.

ANYA:  
I wasn't sure if I should slap him, but then he made me want to slap him, so I thought, okay, slap him!

SPIKE:  
Soul's not all about moonbeams and pennywhistles, love. It's about self-loathing.

XANDER:  
Sorry about that. She shouldn't have hit you. Thirsty? Go on.
ANDREW:  
That chick's psycho.
XANDER:  
You don't know the half of it. She's a vengeance demon, you know. She's bad news.
ANDREW:  
This one time I saw her having sex with Spike.
XANDER:  
She's killed more men than smallpox.
ANDREW:  
Does smallpox still kill people?
XANDER:  
She's killed a lot of men. She tortures them. Anyone who incurs her wrath. One time she? No, never mind.
ANDREW:  
What?
XANDER:  
It's not important.
ANDREW:  
What'd she do?
XANDER:  
Well, there was this one guy he, uh, he hurt her real bad, so she paid him back. She killed him, but she did it real slow. See, first she stopped his heart, then she replaced it with darkness, then she made him live his life like that. But he still had to go do his job and see his friends and wake up in the morning and go to bed at night, but he had to do it all empty. Without anything to look forward to. Ever.
ANDREW:  
Sounds bad.
XANDER:  
Well, then she tore out his intestines and rubbed it in his face and took pictures of it.
ANDREW:  
Oh, God!
XANDER:  
But she's downstairs now. Don't worry about her.

BUFFY:  
He was talking to someone. I heard through the door, he was having this conversation. And then he started singing.
ANYA:  
Maybe it's another musical!... A much crappier musical.


- Score
92/100 A-
Everything that an 'A' possesses, but with either a few more mistakes or slightly less power. Generally represents great episodes that are a tiny bit rough around the edges.


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- Comments (23)

1.SamApr 12, 2009 (Sun)
Mike,
Please allow me to be the first one to say that this is yet another detailed and thoroughly exciting review. I loved the Willow-Andrew encounter, as well as Anya going all bad cop on Andrew (and her comment about "shouldn't we stab him through the chest? Isn't that what we do...?"; poor Anya). I love your breakdown of the Buffy-Spike basement scene, as it really is spot on here; admittedly, since I haven't made it all the way through to the end of the season yet (I stopped at "Get It Done"), there still could be room for Spike's redemption.

I agree that "Sleeper" and "Never Leave Me" are underrated. If you rate them slightly higher than I do, I think it's because despite their excitement, they are tantalizing us a little too much. We know that Spike isn't going to turn evil, so it's a red herring at this point, and that they are putting off the First's actual plan, which is revealed in the spectacular "Bring on the Night". I can't wait to read your take on that.

P.S. Happy Easter. :)

2.PaulaApr 12, 2009 (Sun)
Yayness, the reviews keep coming! :-)

Pretty much vigorously nodding in agreement. I want to add though how much I like Willow's inquiry in the hallway as to whether Buffy's feeling okay - it's nicely acknowledged here that it's not at all easy for Buffy to spend time in Spike's company after everything that's happened between them, soul or no soul. Yet the current situation finally forces her and Spike to have the sort of serious talk both of them have been needing but rather understandably (particularly when it comes to Buffy) avoiding.

Also yay for Buffy for that simple reply to Spike's "You used me": "Yes." And for soulful Spike for stepping out of his up to now rather gloomy and resigned niceness and politeness, and starting to voice what he actually thinks and feels. What the First Evil has had him do lately is horrible, but it has actually served both to sort of liberate him mentally and to jolt him out of the cheerless state of inactivity he's sunk into. Granted, he's still mostly wallowing in how evil he was/is, and the course of action that first occurs to him is getting Buffy to kill him before he does more evil, but at least he's not just listlessly killing time any more.

3.Darth BunnyApr 12, 2009 (Sun)
Great review, although I would have put Wood's mysterious placement burying of Johnathan as a minus simply because there's no explanation of why Wood did this (no, being a good man isn't good enough ;) nor how Wood knew that Johnathan was in there. It's not like Wood knew Johnathan and went looking for him. Or maybe he was checking on the seal? If that was the case though, I have to wonder why the First doesn't put any guards around the thing. It is the where the First plans to create it's army, that's got to make it somewhat important.

Also, just out of fun, it would have been better to SHOW Caleb's attack on the council rather than simply explain it later on. A knock on the door, than Caleb walks in holding a bomb with ten seconds left on the clock. Would have made a great introduction to an underused and short lived villain imho.


4.AdamApr 12, 2009 (Sun)
I do like this episode. The only fault I find is it's kind of boring. I know, I know Buffy is never boring, but, I'm sorry, this episode is bland. It does have some good moments but misses some of the spark the series used to have. Not bad at all, but not anything that makes this episode (or the next episodes) memorable to the series. I'd give it a B-.

5.AdamApr 12, 2009 (Sun)
Also, I need to my comment above that this episode is brought down some because the episodes to follow don't match what this episode (or any episode so far) has brought. I hope that makes sense.

6.buffyholicApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Again, great review. You really analysed the episode perfectly and I gotta tell you that I wouldn´t be able to do this kind of reviews. I mean, I can be objective even with a show like BTVS that I love but I wouldn´t be able to make a thorough analysis like you do. So for that, I applaud you.
But it´s great to see you give the much-needed love S7 deserves.
Keep the good work!

7.Tara and WillowApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Good to see another review! I liked your review a lot and I am (still) waiting for new to come. Keep up the good work!

8.Sosa LolaApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Xander really changed in this season, and it started after all the events of S6. He grew to be more calm, think before talking, notice how he stopped jumping into the "blame Spike" train like Willow, and figured out that Spike was triggered. A S6 Xander wouldn't have been this rational. That's a huge development for Xander that many fans choose to overlook sadly. Perhaps if Xander was given more focus, fans wouldn't have missed his character development.

I disagree with you that Xander's reasons for resenting Spike had anything to do with jealousy and desiring Buffy. Why didn't we see Xander's jealousy with Scott Hope, Riley, Ben, and the guy Xander was setting Buffy with in S6? I think Xander was over having Buffy as a girlfriend after S2. He seemed more interested in other women after that season.

9.wilpApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Combined with Sleeper, I feel the events of this episode could've been condensed into one episode. Both episodes feel like they're biding time, and it's unfortunately where the season's momentum starts to drag. (Although it's nothing compared to the middle of the season.) NLM doesn't seem to have much of an identity as most of it occurs in the Summers' house and involves two characters being held hostage, neither of whom is very threatening. Goddard's excellent dialogue and fun moments saves this from being a very dull episode, which it was in danger of becoming.

With that said, Spike and Buffy's discussions are pretty powerful character work. One very important line which I'm glad you pointed out was: "You used me. I never understood it though. Not until now. You hated yourself, and you took it out on me."

Throughout season 6, I'd come to think that Buffy hated herself *because* she was sleeping with Spike, because she thought she was a demon, and subsequently because she realised she wasn't actually a demon and was completely responsible for her actions. But this line from Spike suggests that she hated herself long before she starting using him - her self-hatred was the reason she started using him. This really interests me, because we were led to believe that she was just stone cold after coming back from the dead, and was dead inside. The fact that she hated herself (which she herself admits in this conversation) at this time adds layers to her. Why do you think she did? I suspect, on top of her superiority/inferiority complexes illustrated in CWDP, it's because, throughout season 5 especially, she failed to live up to her superhero status in many respects. For instance: her job as a slayer and duty as a daughter meant her romantic relationship with Riley failed; she blamed herself for not getting home in time to save her mother from dying; she blamed herself for 'letting Dawn die'... no wonder she hated herself. She must have had this constant feeling of not being 'enough' of a friend, a slayer, a daughter, a sister, a girlfriend, and so she took it out on Spike, who at the time was the only thing she had a lower opinion of. Wow.

Regarding Buffy's reason for letting Spike live in the first place, I'm not sure I buy it completely, but at least they addressed it as it was a huge gap in logic that really hurt the show.

A couple of things:
"He's primed. I'll be pumping him in no time.... He'll give us information soon." Excellent!
Buffy walking in on Anya about to wallop Andrew and Xander sitting in the corner with an icepack. One of the funniest images of the series.
Buffy taking out two bringers with their own knives.
Willow's face when she says "[I'm] a very powerful she-witch... or witch, as is more accurate."

- The whole Spike tearing down the wall thing didn't work for me. Especially the build up.
- SMG, god bless her, can't act evil, but I blame the writing on that one.

10.wilpy1Apr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Also, I know this has been pointed out on this site already, but the significance of a few of the lyrics in the lullaby, Early One Morning, is amazing:

"Early one morning,
Just as the sun was rising,
I heard a maid sing,
In the valley below.

CHORUS:
Oh, don't deceive me,
Oh, never leave me,
How could you use
A poor maiden so?"

In ways, both Buffy and Spike deceived each other in season 6, and both used each other, although I think it reflects more how Spike treated Buffy, specifically his obsession and attempted rape. In another way, the lyrics "don't deceive me, never leave me" are also very fitting for the First to sing to Spike, making Spike's rejection of the song in LMPTM all the more powerful.

11.SamApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
Two things:

1. Mike, I neglected to mention how insightful I found the link you described between Spike's newly acquired soul and his sense of self-loathing. Even though it makes perfect sense within the show's context, the way you laid it out was especially accessible. Thank you. :)

2. Wilpy just illustrated why I think these two episodes' titles should be switched. In "Sleeper", Spike sings Early One Morning, which contains the line "never leave me" in it; and in "Never Leave Me", Xander uses his military knowledge to refer to Spike as a sleeper agent.

12.RickApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
This episode deserves a 110 for giving us the incomparable pleasure of watching Anya interrogate Andrew.

13.SarahApr 13, 2009 (Mon)
I'm glad you put Anya slapping Xander in the plus column, but though she was funny with the mouthing "I'm Sorry" it was the look on Xander's face that makes that moment priceless. Just thinking about it makes me laugh.

Nice review. Thank you.

14.PaulaApr 16, 2009 (Thu)
One thing I personally always wonder about is how Buffy initially ties Spike to a chair in order to restrain him. A chair?! I appreciate that writing-wise, they needed him to be able to break free quickly later in order to attack Andrew, but I still can't help wondering how Buffy could have thought that a chair - even if it's a sturdy one - would be enough when we're talking about someone with Spike's physical strength.

Getting chained to a wall in the basement really makes much more sense.

15.LeeluApr 22, 2009 (Wed)
I always found how Spike bounced back from gaining his soul interesting. In comparison to Angel, I mean. Angel moped and whined for, like, 90 years before he got his act together. And he still feels horrible about all the things he did when he was soulless.

Spike moped for a bit, but soon realized "Hey, I was soulless and evil when I did those things." The things he did were terrible, but what's done is done. Nothing was going to change that, so why dwell on it? He was no longer that person, anyway.

I wonder if their different approaches to handling the return of their souls is purely based on their differences in character/personality, or perhaps whether having Buffy and some semblance of friends surrounding him enabled Spike to come to terms much faster than Angel, who had no one.

16.LeeluApr 22, 2009 (Wed)
Oh, and I didn't mean to imply that Angel shouldn't feel horrible for the things he had done as Angelus, or that Spike doesn't feel bad for things he'd done.

17.SarahApr 22, 2009 (Wed)
I think it's a bit of both. Having people around had to do him good, but mostly I think it's personality. At the end of Damages, Angel visits Spike in the hospital and they have a bonding moment discussing what kind of monsters they were.

Spike: I never did think that much about the nature of evil. No. Just threw myself in. Thought it was a party. I liked the rush. I liked the crunch. Never did look back at the victims.

vs

Angel: I couldn't take my eyes off them. I was only in it for the evil. It was everything to me. It was art. The destruction of a human being.

I think those two different perspectives, attitudes could also be attributed to how they reacted to their souls. Not that Spike doesn't feel bad about what he's done, knows he was vicious and vile, he owns up to it every time it comes up, but he is in the moment kind of guy, he files what's done away, stores it, doesn't forget it, and moves on.

Whereas, Angel, as Angelus, was about pyschological torment as well as the brutality. He lingered in the moment, relished it and now with a soul he lingers in the moment and suffers.

I don't think their different reactions indicates one is more "soulful" than the other, just demonstrates their differences, differences that compliment each other, I might add.

18.LeeluApr 22, 2009 (Wed)
Oh, I don't think either one is more "soulful" than the other, either. haha I've just always been interested in how differently they handled their situations. 8)

19.buffyholicJun 18, 2009 (Thu)
The conversation between Buffy and Spike is fascinating,especially the one in the basement where Spike tells Buffy that she has to kill him. I parallel this talk with the one in "Dead Things". In here, Spike wants it all to end and Buffy tells him that he has done noble things, has saved people but Spike tells her not to rationalise what happened into something noble. Back in "Dead Things" it was Spike who was telling Buffy not to throw her life away, that she saved lives, that the balance was in her favor and Buffy wanted it all to end. Of course, Spike didn´t have an understanding back then, but still I always connect this episode to "Dead Things".

20.llinnaeJun 18, 2009 (Thu)
Oh yeah I never looked at it that way but thats a good point, Buffyholic. For me, its conversations like this one and the one in Dead Things that make Buffy and Spike's relationship so much more complex and the two of them so much closer than Buffy and Angel ever were. Sure, part of that is due to the fact that Buffy is older with Spike but still, i feelm that their relationship was so much more 'real' (if I can use that term in relation to a show called Buffy the Vampire Slayer lol).

21.TranquillitySep 3, 2009 (Thu)
I like Spike not knowing who Andrew is, but I don't see how Buffy saying he's "Tucker's brother" makes it any clearer to Spike. I find it highly unlikely he is aware of the events of "The Prom" (3x20). Buffy should have just said that he was working with Jonathan and Warren last year.

I don't mind this line; at worst it's just a throw-away joke (which I quite enjoy) but at its best, it implies that Buffy and Spike have had conversations, that she's told him about the prom and the devil dogs and that crazy Tucker who master-minded the whole plot. it gives depth to their relationship.

22.SunburnNov 29, 2009 (Sun) @ 8:28am
Leelu said:

"I wonder if their different approaches to handling the return of their souls is purely based on their differences in character/personality, or perhaps whether having Buffy and some semblance of friends surrounding him enabled Spike to come to terms much faster than Angel, who had no one."

Like Sarah, I don't think this is an either/or, I think both are true and yet again, bears out what Mike says about the strength of this show being in the character work. Angel and Spike are such beautifully drawn and detailed characters that the depiction of one as brooding, with a tendency to dwell, and the other as volatile, not given to deep thoughts but occasionally gifted with astute insight, seems absolutely realistic to me.

And llinae - I agree absolutely.

23.RandyJan 4, 2010 (Mon) @ 10:48pm
Mike, I really love this episode, and you did a great job with the review, as usual.

But I can't believe no one mentioned Andrew's "That'll Do, Pig!!!!" -- This line absolutely had me rolling. :)


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