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| Writer: | Jane Espenson |
| Director: | James A. Contner |
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"Same Time, Same Place" is a very nice Willow episode that, while not particularly amazing in any one way, is not particularly bad in any way, and has really grown on me every time I've seen it. When I first saw this episode, it confused me quite a bit. Now that I know what's going on from the start, I like the concept of it a lot more and feel it's a little underrated. The one place it does get bogged down a tad is in its slow pace. While I feel the slower pace does fit what the episode is trying to do, it just gets a bit too slow for its own good in places. Admittedly, this pace allows for a fairly different tone, which is set very nicely by the opening scene. Willow thinks no one's waiting for her at the airport terminal, while Buffy, Xander, and Dawn think Willow ditched the flight and is running off somewhere else, possibly wrecking havok.
I think the episode, as a whole, works fairly well mostly due to its timely comedy and Alyson Hannigan's amazing ability to make you feel so crushed when she's sad or rejected. The very funny comedy is balanced by some surprisingly effective drama. I'd like to also just pause a moment here to point out how rare it is to find a demon in Buffy that is genuinely creepy, has great make-up, and has an actual personality. Kudos to the make-up team on this one! The demon really works great here as a red herring to the Scoobies, while also acting as a means of forcing Willow to confront what she did to Warren and herself last season -- the skinning being the most obvious clue. This all really comes together in the cave sequence later in the episode, which I'll get to in just a bit.
I'm really pleased with how they used Spike's apparent insanity here. Willow talks to Spike, and he looks like he's talking to the air. Later, we see Buffy and Xander talking to Spike and the opposite happening, although we know Willow's actually there. This can't help Spike's sanity very much. I also enjoyed seeing a bit of William seeping out when he's talking to Buffy: "Glowing. What's a word means glowing. Got a rhyme." This more theatrical version of Spike will continue to seep out more as the season goes along. This is a really fun, inventive scene.
I really love Anya's interacton with Willow as well. It all amounts to some incredibly funny dialogue ("This isn't going to get all sexy, is it?") and some interesting new parallels between them. The scene with the both of them doing a spell together really flashed me back to "Doppelgangland" [3x16]. Wow, times have changed! I also really appreciate the little bit of insight from Anya about causing pain. She tells Willow, who can now really relate, "Well, causing pain sounds really cool, I know, but turns out it's really upsetting. Didn't use to be, but now it is." It's obvious her vengeance gig isn't going to end well, much like how Willow's vengeance on Warren didn't end well for her. Anya's not in a particularly happy place right now, which continues to play out as more setup for "Selfless" [7x05]. Very few shows bother taking the time to consistently set up the events of future episodes, so it's important to take note of how well Buffy does this and how unique it is because of it. Even this late in the series -- Season Seven -- it's still getting this right.
Everything about this demon is super creepy and icky. As I pointed out above, they really did a great job with this one. When the demon gets a hold of Willow and starts stripping off her skin, piece by piece, I can't help but feel this is some sort of sick karmic justice at work, punishing Willow for what she did to Warren. I actually found myself very scared for Willow here, with her friends unknowingly locking her in the creature's cave. Willow's paralyzed joy when Anya tells her she's not alone is simply heart-breaking. The spell that separated Willow from her friends dissipates when Willow admits her fear of not being wanted out loud. Even though she can't see Buffy, she speaks to the air, believing that she is. Willow simply thinking her friends didn't want to see her again actually made it happen. She is definitely right when admitting she's got a ways to go before controlling her new uber powers -- something she'll struggle with all season.
Although it can't compare to the end of "Beneath You" [7x02], I still have a tremendous appreciation for the final scene of "Same Time, Same Place." Willow says, "It's magic. I'm drawing power from the earth to heal myself." Buffy admits to thinking the flayings were because of Willow and tells her that, "I want to be the kind of person that doesn't think that. Xander never thought it." Willow responds, "I'm sure he did a little. Heck, even I did a little. Xander has the luxury of not saying it. But you're the Slayer. You have to say stuff like that." Willow nails this truth about Buffy, which provides insight into how Buffy will react in a critical argument in "Selfless" [7x05], along with her approach to leadership throughout the season.
This is also an important moment of self-realization when Willow recognizes that she's not even sure recovery is possible for her, and won't blame Buffy if she feels the same. Buffy, in response, visually admits that she has concerns, but then offers to give away some of her strength to help Willow heal -- a touching moment, but one that is also very thematically relevant to the season. This moment of sharing and friendship, in all its simplicity, beautifully symbolizes the First's ultimate downfall. This also foreshadows Buffy's plan in "Chosen" [7x22] to share her strength with all the potentials, with Willow acting as the catalyst.
Some nice little touches that I appreciated, in regard to everyone's feelings toward Willow, include Willow hearing Warren's gun shot when she gets close to the window Tara was standing in front of when she died, Dawn pointing out that, at some point, the gang has to stop defending Willow, and Anya's overall inital feelings about her. Dawn, with an excellent point, states, "So Giles is blaming Giles, and we're blaming us. Is anyone gonna blame Willow? Oh, don't give me shock face. I mean, will anyone around here ever start asking for help when they need it?"
When Willow expresses sorrow over what's she done to Anya, we get Anya's appropiately blunt response, "You feel really responsible? You are really responsible!" Willow is willing to take it though, without any defense: "Go on. Say whatever you want. Rib bones and so forth. I deserve it." Anya, of course, straight-forward as always, accurately says, "You won't mind? Then that's no fun."
So, all in all, "Same Time, Same Place" is a fairly modest character piece that doesn't really try to draw attention to itself. Looking past its modesty, I found quite a bit to admire and enjoy out of it. Overall I feel it's a slightly more solid episode than "Beneath You" [7x02], but it doesn't have anything that can match the final scene of that episode. I can't really give it an A-range grade because it just isn't quite special or powerful enough to warrant it. I just don't want that fact to diminish my appreciation for a really pleasant episode... besides, you know, all the skin eating. ;)
| - | Minor Pros/Cons (+/-) |
| Pros: | |
| + | Love Xander's sign with "Welcome back, Willow" written in yellow crayon. |
| + | Gnarl kind of reminds me of Gollum in the Lord of the Rings movies. Only much creepier. |
| + | Really love the music in this episode. Go Robert Duncan! |
| + | Anya's reaction to Willow walking up to her. It's sad to see the Magic Box all boarded up. |
| + | Anya bringing up the gang's little "mix-up" a few days ago ("Beneath You" [7x02]). Honestly, episode-to-episode continuity like this just never gets old! |
| + | Posable Dawn: fun for the whole family! |
| + | Buffy's fight with Gnarl: very cool; icky end. |
| Cons: | |
| - | Although out of the picture for a very long time, where are Willow's parents? Did she disown them when she went to college or something? |
| - | Foreshadowing |
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| - | Quotes |
| BUFFY: | We've heard the crayon speech a few times. Not that it's not great, of course. |
| XANDER: | I saved the world with talking from my mouth. My mouth saved the world. |
| BUFFY: | Maybe she doubled back. Got off the plane in London after Giles left. |
| DAWN: | Well, if she's doing that, ducking Giles, then, she's evil, right? |
| XANDER: | Well, I've avoided Giles tons of times. Just meant I was lazy, not evil. |
| BUFFY: | I hope you're right, because defeating Lazy Willow? Probably less hard. |
| BUFFY: | No skin. |
| XANDER: | Tough to look at. |
| BUFFY: | And yet my eyes refuse to look away. Stupid eyes. |
| WILLOW: | I need help. |
| ANYA: | I don't have any money. |
| WILLOW: | I don't want money. |
| ANYA: | Come in. Enjoy my personal space. |
| WILLOW: | I found a dead body near the high school. |
| ANYA: | Yes, that can happen. |
| ANYA: | Oh, and so they'll think it wasn't you, right? I mean, that has to be part of it. Maybe you're even thinking you kill this thing, they don't even have to know about it. Won't suspect you, even for a minute. |
| WILLOW: | No, I-I don't? When did you get all insightful? |
| ANYA: | I'm surprisingly sensitive. |
| WILLOW: | So, will you help me? |
| ANYA: | Is it difficult or time-consuming? |
| ANYA: | (To Willow) This isn't going to get all sexy, is it? |
| DAWN: | Okay, so I looked up demons that skin their victims and demons that flay their victims 'cause, you know, same thing. There's a ton of prospects. Anything else gone? Uh, eyeballs, toenails or viscera? That's guts. |
| BUFFY: | She knows about viscera. Makes you proud. |
| DAWN: | Now if we just knew how to find this thing. |
| XANDER: | Well, we could ask some questions over at Willy's place. |
| BUFFY: | Or, we could be smart. Sorry, Xander. |
| XANDER: | What? |
| BUFFY: | Xander, she could be there right now. Willow could be trapped with the Gnarl. |
| ANYA: | Uh, it's not "The Gnarl", just "Gnarl". Oh, wouldn't it be tragic if you were here being kinda silly with your comically paralyzed sister while Willow was dying? |
| WILLOW: | I'm healing. Growing new skin. |
| BUFFY: | Wow. That's magic, right? I mean, most people when they meditate don't get extra skin, right. 'Cause Clem should, like, cut back. |
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| 87/100 |
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Just misses the mark of excellence. Essentially, a great episode that's rough around the edges and/or slightly flawed. Extremely fun to watch.
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Comments (21)
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| 1. | StephMar 1, 2009 (Sun)Link | |
| I love this episode for so many reasons. I'm glad you hit on all the great points going on. I would have probably given it a 90, but I have nothing to back that up with except I simply enjoy watching Willow connect back with the gang. I think this ep. was a smart way to reintegrate Willow back to Sunnydale as well. Xander's sign was wonderful. |
| 2. | LeeluMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| Ha! Someone else besides me thinks Gnarl was reminiscent of Smeagol! And yes, I must agree with you on his creep factor. Most of the baddies are a bit lackluster on this show, but Gnarl, The First, Caleb, and The Gentlemen are all deliciously creepy. |
| 3. | buffyholicMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| I love this episode also. The monster is super creepy, and Willow reconnecting with her friends is touching. The final scene just breaks my heart. Great episode, all around. mike, there's another foreshadowing you forgot to mention. At least, I think it is. Buffy kills the Gnarl by poking out the eyes, in the same fashion Caleb does to Xander. |
| 4. | SamMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| I *Love* this episode. It's classic Espenson--witty, insightful, strengthens character development, and filled with insanely quotable one-liners such as Xander: We should have put on a leash on him. Buffy: Yes, let's tie ourselves to the crazy vampire. The only reason I think it's an A- instead of a full-blown A is because the last scenes at the end with Gnarl peeling off Willow's skin and eating it are so incredibly gruesome that I can't actually watch them without getting a splitting headache. Other than that, I think it's one of the best of the season, and it means that all the S7 regulars are finally back in Sunnydale. |
| 5. | UrsusMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| I generally agree with this review. The one place I don't is that I thought the demon was stupid in concept and execution. I'm sorry, it didn't work for me. |
| 6. | AdamMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| I like this episode too but I don't think it was amazing. They, definitely, could have made an overall better episode than what they provided here. It was not horrible in any means, however. I thought the demon was creepy and I loved it! The episode's plot was kind of, um...lame, but it still was decent. By the way, great review like always! |
| 7. | ZillexMar 2, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| Maybe its because I'm watching the whole series in just a few weeks...but I'm kind of tired of 'invisible people' storylines. |
| 8. | AaronJerMar 5, 2009 (Thu)Link | |
| "- Although out of the picture for a very long time, where are Willow's parents? Did she disown them when she went to college or something?" Maybe she ate them when she was evil. |
| 9. | HarFangMar 5, 2009 (Thu)Link | |
| Ugh. You're right: with the Gentlemen, this is the most creepy demon ever on Buffy (and I just cannot believe I hadn't seen the connection with Willow's skinning Warren alive). And even though I was very confused when I first viewed the scene in the basement, now I find it really fun and well-written. And how great that, even at his craziest, Spike still can see past magic and deceit, right to the heart of things and people. As for Willow's parents, I think her father isn't mentioned even once in the whole series, and the last we heard of her mother (three years ago in Pangs, I think?), she was having second thoughts about the whole Tara affair, so she probably severed her fragile ties with her daughter when they moved in together. |
| 10. | PaulaMar 6, 2009 (Fri)Link | |
| HarFang, re: Willow's parents (esp. mother), I don't know what bit from S4 or so you're thinking about because I can't remember anything like that taking place or even mentioned in the show, but here's what she tells Kennedy in "The Killer in Me": "My mom was all proud like I was making some political statement. Then the statement mojo wore off and I was just gay. She hardly ever even met Tara." So it doesn't really sound like her mom, anyway, had big problems about her coming out. And before this episode, the last time I can recall Willow's family mentioned is in "Forever", when she tells Xander she's going to go visit her mom. I guess Willow's parents are some of those characters who are used pretty strictly as plot elements/aids, so when they aren't needed for anything, which is at least 95% of the time, they're ignored by the writers. If they hadn't come across as such pretty detached parents from the start of the show, I might have more issues with Willow leading such an independent life once in college. I suppose they still finance her studies though. |
| 11. | HarFangMar 6, 2009 (Fri)Link | |
| Paula: you're right, I had the wrong scene in mind. Thank you! Still, I assumed from the scene you quoted that Mrs Rosenberg had initially misunderstood how serious Willow was about being gay --she thought that her daughter was just being fashionable (exactly what Tara and Willow had argued over once), so when she realised her mistake, she suddenly became much less supportive. Now, I may be reading too much in Willow's brief explanation; this theory just seemed coherent with the woman we saw in Gingerbread. |
| 12. | wilpyMar 7, 2009 (Sat)Link | |
| I must have had a perpetual brain fart for the past 7 years, because I hadn't made the connection between Buffy's power sharing in Same Time Same Place, and in Chosen. I've been a fan for a freaking decade and I still didn't connect that! Joss really knew what he was doing... I love a lot of things about this episode, from the delicious irony of Willow's skin being slowly taken off to the HILARIOUS interaction between Willow and Anya - those two are great together, they're so different and yet so funny. The episode continues the trend of a breezy, old school feel, but doesn't go overboard, which I appreciate. What I find interesting is that Buffy, at the end of the ep, tells Willow that "Xander never thought" that Willow was responsible for the flayed guy. Yes he did! He was first to say it! Why Buffy covered for him is anyone's guess, but it's almost like she WANTS to be the cold, ruthless one who makes the hard decisions. This factors in to a LOT that is said and done this season. Obviously this is followed through in the Selfless moral dilemma. |
| 13. | MaddyMar 14, 2009 (Sat)Link | |
| I really enjoyed this episdode, a lot better than the last one which I found rather unamusing.
Having a job in fashion, I can't help but watch the characters outfits and appearances and in this episode I think a lot of characters look there best... apart from Spike and his hideous shirt. Grr. I love the scene in the basement with Spike/Willow/Buffy/Xander I think Spike's dialouge fits both conversations perfectly - very well done I say! I also love how Dawn has become more involved with the 'scoobies' she has took on Willow's roll of computer researcher and I think fits it very well. Is it just me, but has anyone else noticed that Anya's hair is pretty much a dark colour when she isn't with Xander. I think dying her hair has showed that she over him just like when she went blonde it showed that she had strong feelings for him- anyone else think this? It could just be a coincedence. Overall very enjoyable episode with a brilliant plot. |
| 14. | ChristianApr 9, 2009 (Thu)Link | |
| Hey all. I’m watching Buffy all over again and I usually come to this site to read the great reviews, but this is the first time I’m commenting.
I'm a diehard Buffy fan and always loved the Buffy character. I first watched the whole series when it originally aired, and It ended when I was 17. I’m 22 now and I see the series in a more mature way. This time I’ve grown to love Willow a lot more than the first time, maybe even more than Buffy. This episode was really nice, not one of the best, but it had great moments. I especially enjoyed posable Dawn. I thought it was hilarious and broke the tension of the whole Willow being skinned moment. There were two things missing for me though the first time I saw this. First of all I needed to see a great big hug between Willow and the Scoobies, I kept on waiting for it to happen and it didn’t. And the other thing was that Buffy mentioned nothing about Spike having his soul back. After the ending of “beneath you� I would have though bombs would be dropped. All in all a nice Buffy episode, and yeah I agree with Maddy, great outfits! I loved Willows clothes… She’s really gotten more and more attractive with every season. Also, the Jr. Watcher thing with Dawn is great, now she has no reason to be annoying! Love that!! |
| 15. | SeleneJul 19, 2009 (Sun)Link | |
| A solid episode. While I've never been overly fond of Anya, I loved the interaction between her and Willow. I also like how they're playing Willow's guilt and redemption. While it's obvious she does feel incredibly guilty, she's not being a whiny "Oh, please forgive me!" nuisance.
Gnarl was definitely creepy and the scenes of him skinning and eating Willow were extremely hard for me to watch. And when Buffy and Xander sealed Willow in the cave with him, my heart almost broke. I enjoyed seeing Dawn playing a larger role in the Scoobies. Loved the line out of Spike when Xander comments that it might be a flesh-eating rock cliff, "I'm crazy. What's his excuse?" The ending with Buffy was very well done. Buffy wanted to reconnect with her friend, but was still a little nervous of Willow doing any magick. That was understandable. But then sharing her strength shows she's willing to try to accept Willow as she is now. |
| 16. | Blue Light JSep 14, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| Just for the record, regarding Willow's father: he gets one mention, during "Passion" in season 2. "Ira Rosenberg's only daughter nailing crucifixes to her bedroom wall? I have to go to Xander's house just to watch A Charlie Brown Christmas every year." |
| 17. | Nathan.TaurusJan 1, 2010 (Fri) @ 6:24pmLink | |
| How creepy is Gnarl? With his rhyming speech and strange eating habits.....but, actually, who hasn't tried tasty skin from time to time?
Buffy poking the eyes in with her thumbs and then Xander's response. Foreshadow-y anyone. Now Poseable Dawn was hilarious, especially once the paralysis wears off. Why didn't the casting people find an actor who could more closely match the skinned body used for Warren that was used for the young boy at the construction site? The boy was too small...come to think of it even Warren may of been a little smaller. I'll stop with the great Anya/Willow scene which was a nice throwback to season 3. |
| 18. | G1000May 31, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:14amLink | |
| I loved this episode for the most part, but the Gnarl stuff dragged it down from a possible A to a mere B-plus for me. It was just unnecessary for him to be so disgusting. It seems to me like the writers were saying here, "hey, why don't we see if we can make our audience gasp in horror and/or vomit?"
Pity, since the rest of the episode was so amazing. |
| 19. | baunger1Jun 7, 2010 (Mon) @ 8:12pmLink | |
| The basement scene is very well done, and played beautifully, as always, by James Marsters. Once again, William's looking for "effulgent," and of course, Spike has previously described Buffy as "glowing." All of him is still in there. However, using Spike as a bloodhound and making jokes at his expense is really ugly and felt unnatural to me. Bad enough that after his painful confession Buffy would leave him to fend for himself in the basement. Horrible behavior, but OK, maybe she hasn't fully processed this situation and figured out what to do about it. But after being made aware during his speech how terribly she damaged him by using him, she's going to use him again? And make fun of him to Xander, of all people? It seemed very artificial in light of her emotional response to his revelation to her. This kind of sapped a lot of enjoyment out of this episode for me. |
| 20. | MerryJun 13, 2010 (Sun) @ 12:51pmLink | |
| Gnarl scares the hell out of me. The Gentlemen provided probably the only two moments in the series when I actually jumped in fright (when the Gentleman passes right in front of Olivia at the window and when the straightjacketed lackey pops out at Buffy), but Gnarl creeps me WAY more.It's probably just because I'm squeamish and get incredibly naseous when he's peeling off Willow's skin, but it's still really, really, creepy.
This is one of my favorite S7 episodes, mostly because of Alyson's making me like Willow again. Not every character could flay someone alive and then become a favorite again! One of my favorite moments is when Anya says something about it getting a little sexy after they did the spell and then Willow raising an eyebrow with a "yeah it did!" expression and then abruptly saying she had to go. Hilarious! |
| 21. | G1000Jun 14, 2010 (Mon) @ 12:22pmLink | |
| Merry wrote: "This is one of my favorite S7 episodes, mostly because of Alyson's making me like Willow again."
See, I never stopped liking Willow. The only time I really disliked her was when she and everyone else turned on Buffy in "Empty Places". I did enjoy this episode, though. |
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