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| Writer: | Tracey Forbes |
| Director: | David Solomon |
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Wow this is a bad episode -- the worst since "I Robot, You Jane" (1x08)! I'm looking at my notes...and there's almost nothing there. This is going to be a very short review. The savior of this episode from getting no points at all is Spike, Anya, and Giles. Anya is having unfounded relationship issues with Xander, Spike is simply bored, and Giles turns out to have a singing hobby. The failure of this episode is, well, the fact that the entire plot involves Buffy and Riley having lots and lots of steamy sex. If you love seeing Buffy and Riley having nonstop sex then you may want to look away from this review!
Early on there's a scene between Xander and Anya that is very entertaining. Anya thinks that because her and Xander didn't have sex the previous evening their relationship is ending. After Xander starts defending himself, Anya asks him if there's something wrong with his body. Then Xander, wanting to prove his functionality, says "You want sex? Let's have sex. Right here. Hot, sweaty, big sex." It turns out that as he was saying this a bunch of customers were amusingly standing right outside his ice cream truck.
The highlight of the episode is definitely the resulting interaction between Anya and Spike. These two definitely have a lot in common and enjoy sharing time together. They chat up how much they miss their carnage. Anya says, "Seen a thousand relationships. First there's the love, and sex, and then there's nothing left but the vengeance. That's how it works." When Xander sees Anya with Spike, he begins to get a bit worried. This is just an amusing little conflict between them that doesn't last through the episode.
I need to point out how much I love how abused fraternity parties get in BtVS. Xander even points out, "A ghost? What's the deal? Is every frat on this campus haunted? And if so, why do people keep coming to these parties, cause it's not the snacks." My question is, why do the Scoobies keep going to these parties? They all look horrendously bored every time (as I would be) and nothing good ever comes from going. Anyway, the plot is just overall extremely boring. There's some repressed ghosts of some sorts being fueled by Buffy and Riley's sexual energy. But haven't Buffy and Riley had sex in Riley's room before, more than once in fact? Why are these ghosts manifesting now? Am I missing something? Even if the plot made sense it's still a terrible idea. And that's about it. Sorry this ends so abruptly, but I really don't have anything else to talk about. Terrible episode. :(
| - | Minor Pros/Cons (+/-) |
| Pros: | |
| + | Buffy getting all sexually excited after tag team fighting with Riley again. |
| + | The extended scene where all Riley finds is a dripping bathtub. |
| + | Spike trying to scare people into giving him money. |
| + | An orgasm spot on the wall. Ridiculous, but kind of funny. |
| + | Willow and Tara's talk about horses, which is very suggestive of something else... |
| + | Spike getting excited when the party gets ruined. |
| + | Giles singing and playing the guitar and the Scoobies' stunned reaction. Also, I love how all the girls admire how sexy his voice is. |
| + | Buffy and Riley completely satisfied they got forced into having nonstop sex. |
| Cons: | |
| - | Plant vines and tentacles? Ugh... |
| - | The old lady is somehow insane, boring, hokey, and creepy all at the same time. |
| - | Foreshadowing |
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| ANYA: | Spike! What are you doing!? You made me yell really high. |
| SPIKE: | Hey! Yeah, I did. I scared you. Gimme money. |
| ANYA: | I'm not paying you for scaring me. |
| SPIKE: | You're not paying me. I'm robbing you. |
| ANYA: | Oh, well now that's just ludicrous. You can't hurt me because you've got that chip in your brain. Also, I like my money the way it is...when it's mine. Oh, now come on. You're not even bumpy any more. |
| SPIKE: | Oh. I was just a minute ago. Hang on. Get me mad again. |
| ANYA: | (sighs) Does this really work? Scaring people into giving you their money? |
| SPIKE: | Yeah, it works. Keeps me in blood and beers. (Grins) Plus, you know, funny. Watching those little humans quail. |
| ANYA: | I'm beginning to understand why you're so friendless. |
| XANDER: | You're overreacting. We had a fight. But see, it's okay. It's normal. |
| ANYA: | Yes. The normal part of the ending a relationship right before the vengeance begins. |
| XANDER: | Right. No! Vengeance? |
| ANYA: | Relax, I'm not gonna do it. I'm just trying to tell you that we have nothing in common besides both of us liking your penis. |
| XANDER: | Now who's with me? |
| SPIKE: | I am. |
| : | (Everyone looks at Spike in surprise) |
| SPIKE: | I know I'm not the first choice for heroics...and Buffy's tried to kill me more than once. And, I don't fancy a single one of you at all. But...Actually, all that sounds pretty convincing. I wonder if Danger Mouse is on. |
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| 30/100 | F |
Just plain awful. Completely failed at what it was trying to do. Might be painful to watch. The only points awarded are for tiny bits of humor and/or a character moment or two.
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| 1. | GroundedMar 22, 2006 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Tracey Forbes's Buffy carrer = Beer Bad, Something Blue, WTWTA. Sorry, but 33% is a failing grade. ;) |
| 2. | MikeJerMar 22, 2006 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Agreed! :) |
| 3. | 20questionsgeniusMar 22, 2006 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Yikes! I hadnt realized that Tracey Forbes wrote "Beer Bad" and "Where The Wild Things Are". I knew she wrote "Something Blue" which is my very favorite episode of all, but damn, those other two are pretty much universally disliked. Maybe she had help on "Something Blue" from some of the other writers, cuz "Beer Bad" and "WTWTA" are shining examples of what not to show someone when trying to get them interested in Buffy (although, the argument that bad episodes of Buffy are better than a lot of other stuff out there is true cuz "Beer Bad" was like the second or third episode i ever saw and i still wanted to watch more), but "Something Blue" is fantastic. Anyway i also wanted to say that the rate at which youre putting these reviews out is great MikeJer! I love checking the site and seeing new reviews. You do a really good job talking about the important stuff in each episode and explaining what it all means in your opinion, but most important of all, its apparent in each review that you love the series a lot and that makes it all the more fun to read these, so keep up the good work! |
| 4. | MikeJerMar 22, 2006 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Thanks 20! One thing to note is that I, unfortunately, wont be able to keep up this pace for too much longer. Not because I don't want to, but because my final quarter of university begins next Wednesday and it's going to be really busy. So I'm trying to finish S4 before I go back, hence the mania of reviews. I'll try to keep up a good pace after next quarter begins, but it wont be as fast as it currently is. I'm actually watching "New Moon Rising" right now for review. :) |
| 5. | GroundedMar 23, 2006 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Incidentally, have any of you seen Danger Mouse? |
| 6. | fryrishMay 22, 2006 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Watched this the other day. I don't think it's quite as bad as your rating suggests. While the main plot isn't very interesting there's enough in it to keep it from scraping the bottom of the barrell completely. However, my main order of business is this. In the quotes you have Spike saying the Danger Mouse bit. I wasn't sure I heard it right so I put the subtitles on and he actually says "I wonder if Asian House is open." |
| 7. | MikeJerMay 22, 2006 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I get all my quotes from the Buffyverse Dialogue Database website in my links section. But that's interesting for you sure. I've heard that sometimes the subtitles say stuff that's not in the script anymore, because of a last minute change. That's likely what happened in this case, although I'll be sure to check the transcript to be sure. And for the record: I genuinely believe the ep is as bad as I rated it. My notepad was nearly empty after watching it, and that hadn't happened since S1. When BtVS fails to entertain me much and fails to make me think about anything, it fails as an episode. |
| 8. | FallenMay 23, 2006 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| WTWTA really is a bad episode. I think it has a bit of snappy dialogue but it just fails at the plot level and adds nothing to the arc and your review pretty much says it all. |
| 9. | GroundedMay 23, 2006 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Pretty much every ep has at least some snappy dialogue. ;) |
| 10. | bookwormMay 24, 2006 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| but not every ep has giles singing. imo the only good thing.Latoya |
| 11. | LatoyaMay 1, 2007 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Buffy and Riley's sexual history before this ep. The I in Team: Their first time together. At his dorm while being watched on the monitor by Proffesor Walsh. They aren't together for awhile due to more pressing matters going on. This Year's Girl: At his dorm? While you are not positive they did it, it is pretty likely. She waits a while before she sleeps with him again because of the whole Riley-having-sex-with-Faith-in-Buffy's-body thingy. She felt hurt that he didn't know it wasn't her and insecure that he wouldn't be satisfied by her now that he had been with the much more sexually experience Faith. Superstar: Again, at his dorm? She moans Jonathon's name, I guess that spell wasn't completely worn off yet. :) That makes only three times by the time Where the Wild Ones Are. So by that episode, Buffy is having her first thoughts of I Can Have Sex Anytime I Want And Nothing Bad Will Happen. And of course, she over does it. But look at her track record. She slept with Angel in Surprise and then never gets to be with him again due to him turning into Angelus, torturing her, and trying to destroy the world. She sleeps with Parker in Harsh Light of Day and then never sleeps with him again due to finding out he was a womanizing Poophead that was lying to her to get in her pants. She sleeps with Riley and his boss/mentor tries to kill her. Now this happens. Is it no wonder that in Triangle she tried on the nun's wimple (sorry, don't know how to spell it)? |
| 12. | NixJul 9, 2007 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| What I find interesting is that *every one* of Tracy Forbes's three episodes involves Buffy being influenced by something that causes her to act completely out of character for a large portion of the ep. This is otherwise fairly rare: _When She Was Bad_ possibly, _Halloween_, in a sense _The Wish_, in a sense _Who Are You_, _Normal Again_, and that's *it*. And most of the non-Forbes episodes actually require *more* writing effort, _Who Are You_ in particular. (I'm ignoring _Bewitched, Bothered & Bewildered_'s enratting here because that was a hack to avoid SMG scheduling conflicts and thus essentially forced on the writers.) It's only Forbes's attempts that, to be blunt, feel like a writer trying to avoid writing a character that she's having trouble with: and that's a bit of a problem when the character is as central as Buffy. And it's notable that she does it *every* time. |
| 13. | buffyholicNov 7, 2007 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Ok, this plot is awful. Really bad but I like watching it. For me, Anya and Spike are a delight to watch. |
| 14. | Plain SimpleFeb 14, 2008 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I also can't believe this is the first time in decades someone has sex in this frat house. Or is it Buffy's super powers that steams up the ghosts. Ah well, let's not over analyse and just enjoy the good bits (mainly Anya-Spike and Giles singing, like you point out). |
| 15. | wilpy1Mar 8, 2008 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| HATE this episode. Tracy Forbes was like a bad fan-fiction writer. 'Something Blue' was neat, but even that plot was like a fan-fiction come to life. WTWTA is just an awful, awful episode. I vow never to watch it again. Cringe! |
| 16. | PaulaJun 18, 2008 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I've really got to disagree with you on this episode's scoring, MikeJer. The main plot is pretty silly, but not exceptionally so (IMO, the Buffy "monster-fighting" plots are rarely anything too special; it's the character-driven stuff that shines). And all the rest about this episode was quite entertaining, so I'd have given at least a C. But I guess there's no arguing about matters of taste. :-) |
| 17. | TonyyJul 25, 2008 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Yeah I watched this yesterday again and it really wasn't that bad. A 33 is a bit low I think. Way to low actually. The plot, yes really stupid. But there were many times I laughed out loud with my friend while watching this. Anya is just hilarious. |
| 18. | jillyenatorAug 5, 2008 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Just watched this again and if I ignore the plot, the interactions with the Scoobies and foreshadowing with Anya/Spike turning to each other for comfort makes it *almost* worthwhile. I'd give it a D, myself. The plot is as bad as the season 1 eps, but I have gotten REALLY good at ignoring plot in Buffy eps by now. :) I can now look past cavemen, preying mantis sex, penis-head wig ladies, hokey Chumash Indians and all manner of sorry plotlines at this point...and just watch for the sparkling moments of continuity, foreshadowing, humor, character-driven dialogue and brilliant facial acting by much of the cast (esp Spike). It's amazing how much better the series is on the second viewing in this way. |
| 19. | HarFangSep 6, 2008 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| LOL jillyenator! I think you're right! I'll try to develop the same knack for looking elsewhere at the right moment! Anyway, another good thing that this stupid plot allows is to see the Scoobies fend for themselves and actually manage to get the job done. The last time they had to do without Buffy was in Anne / Dead Man's Party, and they're definitely getting better -although not as good yet as they'll be in Bargaining. |
| 20. | LacieSep 21, 2008 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Yikes! I hadnt realized that Tracey Forbes wrote "Beer Bad" and "Where The Wild Things Are". I knew she wrote "Something Blue" which is my very favorite episode of all, but damn, those other two are pretty much universally disliked. Maybe she had help on "Something Blue" from some of the other writers, cuz "Beer Bad" and "WTWTA" are shining examples of what not to show someone when trying to get them interested in Buffy (although, the argument that bad episodes of Buffy are better than a lot of other stuff out there is true cuz "Beer Bad" was like the second or third episode i ever saw and i still wanted to watch more), but "Something Blue" is fantastic. Anyway i also wanted to say that the rate at which youre putting these reviews out is great MikeJer! I love checking the site and seeing new reviews. You do a really good job talking about the important stuff in each episode and explaining what it all means in your opinion, but most important of all, its apparent in each review that you love the series a lot and that makes it all the more fun to read these, so keep up the good work! Hehe I just thought I'd mention Tracey is actually a man =) Anyway I actually thought the last episode (superstar) was the most boring. Sure, this is terrible, but I just HATE Jonathan. And it's just not interesting. |
| 21. | bigmoneygripNov 4, 2008 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| For me, the only parts I liked were Spike and Anya, and Xander outing Spike a.k.a. Hostile17 at the party. |
| 22. | JurganDec 30, 2008 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "The old lady is somehow insane, boring, hokey, and creepy all at the same time." Aww, no love for Kathryn Joosten? She's great- it was the saddest thing when she died on West Wing. I think she did a much better job here than you give her credit for. Other than that, I pretty much agree with this review. |
| 23. | SamMar 13, 2009 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Yeah, this episode is pretty horrendous, and come to think of it, I hated all of the eps that Tracey Forbes wrote. The only scenes I liked were Spike and Anya bonding over bad relationships, and the priceless reaction shot of Willow mooning over Giles singing at the cafe. "No wonder I used to find him sexy", indeed. :) |
| 24. | EmilyMay 13, 2009 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Mike, I have to agree with everything that you say here. I just wanted to add that there's no resolving of the Anya/Xander issue. Once again (like in "Anne" 3x01), they fight together and make up. That's so stupid. |
| 25. | ThrupcatJul 6, 2009 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "I just wanted to add that there's no resolving of the Anya/Xander issue. Once again (like in "Anne" 3x01), they fight together and make up. That's so stupid." Emily, isn't that what people very often do? As to not liking this episode, as most buffyversers do, I want to mention one thing that I have found odd. People usually claim that WTWTA is "against sex", whereas I have always considered it to be against the REPRESSION of sex. MikeJer, ever since I found this site I wanted to tell you how great it is. It's simply awsome. Thank you! |
| 26. | MikeJerJul 6, 2009 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Thanks Thrupcat! |
| 27. | NixJul 16, 2009 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This ep has an unusually high number of co-producers: Espenson, Solomon, Fury. A case of 'too many cooks', perhaps, or a case of 'oh shit this script is awful, let's rope in everyone we can in a desperate attempt to salvage something'? |
| 28. | NixJul 16, 2009 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I missed two. Greenwalt and Noxon as well. Wow. *Five* producers or co-producers. |
| 29. | NixJul 16, 2009 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| And another 'sheep' logo, on the wall behind Giles when he's singing. What *is* it with these sheep? Some prop-crew injoke? |
| 30. | ShannonJul 17, 2009 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "oh shit this script is awful, let's rope in everyone we can in a desperate attempt to salvage something?" Ha! Or, let's rope in everyone we can so no one person has to take the blame for this p.o.s. Where are other sheep? I've never noticed them. |
| 31. | ShannonJul 17, 2009 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| To everyone who says that Mike was too harsh on this episode, you're wrong. Buffy is an amazing show, but the writers/creators/whoever completely failed with this episode. That's all there is to it. This episode is heinously bad. When I finished watching it for the first time (barely - I pretty much only made it through sheer force of will), the only thought my brain was capable of formulating was, "WTH was that??" |
| 32. | NixJul 18, 2009 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Other sheep: there's one on Willow's bedroom wall (seen in _Passion_ as the dead fish are discovered). There's a 'sheep' identical to that one in _Restless_ as Xander is crawling backwards out of the ice-cream van back into the basement. The latter two sheep are obviously linked, but this one seems, well, more like a prop in-joke than anything Willow-related. |
| 33. | SeleneJul 22, 2009 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Giles singing---SIGH!
That and the Spike/Anya interaction are about the only things worthwhile about this episode. However, a possible bit of foreshadowing: When Xander gets his face cut by the vine, isn't the cut over the eye he eventually loses? |
| 34. | HannahSep 6, 2009 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Only episode I've ever liked by Tracey Forbes was Something Blue, HATE Beer Bad and this one, but then BB and WTWTA are two commonly disliked eps. Something Blue is a laugh, which I watch if I'm in a bad mood. I like the Spike/Anya bits and Xander and Anya in the icecream truck, but once we get past anything with Anya in, it's like '...' . Look, Buffy and Riley have steamy sex. Nevermind that the plot makes NO sense! Mind you, Giles sings! If I'm re-watching I always flick to the Anya bits and Giles' song. |
| 35. | IanSep 13, 2009 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Danger Mouse? Just watched this and Spike says, "I wonder if Asian House is open?" The Danger Mouse thing must be a transcription error in the dialog database. |
| 36. | Nathan.TaurusNov 1, 2009 (Sun) @ 7:27pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I think this episode is good. It is way ahead of 'IRYJ'. Yes the Buffy/Riley sex plot does go on a bit too long but it still doesn't take up alot of screen time. Most of the episode is standard for season 4. With the great interaction between Spike and Anya at The Bronze, Willow telling the spirits to "get over it." Spike talking himself out of helping, and of course, Giles singing at the Espresso Pump. And when Anya tells Xander that Spike and her didn't have sex....yet. I would rate this episode at least a 70. |
| 37. | KatieJMay 4, 2010 (Tue) @ 11:51amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Agreed, I usually skip over this one on the DVD. Yawn. I do like seeing that one guy from Beer Bad on the orgasm wall. I really enjoyed those guys, and would've liked to see them as regular background victims in this episode. Quick cute thing: When Anya and Xander are in the ice cream truck in the beginning discussing their sex life. Take a look at the magazine cover on his dash. hee hee. Transcription mistake or no.... I heart Danger Mouse. |
| 38. | BethMay 11, 2010 (Tue) @ 4:08pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I recently rewatched Season 4 for the first time in a long while. I remember thinking that the plot of this episode had been ridiculous and that many people hate this it, but when I rewatched it I couldn't help being pleasantly surprised by the number of good bits, including Spike/Anya, Giles, even some of the tension when you think the characters are in trouble. And I laughed out loud more than once (Xander's "Hostile 17" and "She who smelt it dealt it" come to mind). All in all, I'm glad I gave this one another chance. It's kind of a microcosm of Season 4 in a way - gets pretty derided by many fans, but when I took a step back I found that I enjoyed it a lot more than I remembered. |
| 39. | EmilyMay 21, 2010 (Fri) @ 12:08amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Aww, I kinda like this episode. It's a guilty pleasure for me. Although it certainly borders on the TOO ridiculous - I mean, c'mon, an orgasm spot on the wall? Tracey Forbes, please stop. Fair rating though. |
| 40. | G1000May 23, 2010 (Sun) @ 9:49amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This episode really isn't all that bad. Giles playing guitar and Anya and Spike's interaction easily elevated this to a better grade than an F. It bugs me a bit that this one got an F, while truly terrible episodes like "Inca Mummy Girl", "The Pack", and "Nightmares" got better grades. Those three are all way worse than this one. In fact, so's "Beer Bad". And "Superstar" for that matter. |
| 41. | StephAug 3, 2010 (Tue) @ 5:38pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I totally agree with this episode having a low score. My interest was completely lost minus Giles hiding the fact that he goes to sing which was amusing. I heart Willow and Tara, so I was definitely not expecting Tara's sudden repulsion at Willow touching her thigh. It totally took me the second time of watching that episode until I understood it was a statement of Religion (Christianity) vs. Homosexuality. Although, I wouldn't quite say the rules the old lady was following was proper Christianity. Who forces children under water? Crazy old loon. Anyway, this episode would not have been nearly as entertaining without the presence of Spike or Anya. I'd hate to see the score without them. |
| 42. | JasonAug 27, 2010 (Fri) @ 11:17pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Nix (comment 12): Nice job finding the common thread in all three of Tracey Forbes's episodes. Unfortunately, it's a hack trick that one would not expect to usually work. 33% sounds about right. |
| 43. | nathan.taurusSep 6, 2010 (Mon) @ 10:17pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Rewatching this episode again I realised this is where the viewer sees that Anya will never be fully human. She was a demon causing mass carnage for 1120 years and in this episode she was still newly human again. She does gain a small percent of humanity in 'End of Days', but she would need centuries before she fully assimilated into being a nice productive human and forgot the memories of her demon days.
The alleged gripe she has with Xander over nothing proves this and to a huger extent the 'Entropy' episode. Even if Anya had another 70 years as a human she could never break away from her 1120 years as a demon. Giles singing, Spike talking himself out of helping, evil christian woman are the good parts. |
| 44. | John RobertsSep 9, 2010 (Thu) @ 12:35pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "while truly terrible episodes like "Inca Mummy Girl", "The Pack", and "Nightmares" got better grades."
Nightmares was terrible? It scared the bleep out of me. Plus, the kid actor was about 12 years old yet I didn't want to wring his neck. The Pack was alright too. Praying Mantis Teacher was terrible. |
| 45. | ShinyOct 7, 2010 (Thu) @ 5:36pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Seconding JohnR; I really enjoyed Nightmares and The Pack, and didn't hate Inca Mummy Girl as much as the fanbase seems to (I may be biased, having an interest in Mesoamerican history). But WTWTA, like Teacher's Pet, makes me cringe. It also, more crucially, makes me bored. I don't skip it on re-watches, just fast-forward to the good parts, but... well... I watched Buffy from the start. We only had one TV, so my mother had to be introduced and hooked on it so that I could watch it every week. Sure, some risqué jokes and scenes would go by, but we could smile behind our hands and pretend the other one had no idea why it was funny/what was happening. I was thirteen or fourteen when WTWTA aired. So. Freaking. Painful. For the first (and last) time, my mum actually asked if she could switch. I was hoping that the crappy plot would end after each ad break, so I persisted. And spent a lot of time peeking out from behind a cushion. The orgasm spot on the wall made me want to die and be dead. Mum still regards it as the most embarrassing hour of TV she's ever watched. She's a very open-minded lady (supported me wholly when I came out - not that she was particularly surprised, apparently my love for Willow and Tara had given her a clue) who was at the time trying to un-do the brainwashing my convent school education was giving me - i.e. what the crazy lady in the episode says - but sitting with your young daughter and watching a genteel kind of orgy is going to be excruciating no matter how open-minded you are. Thanks, Mr Forbes, for giving us an hour of horror. I'd been a lone weirdo of the fan world for loving Beer Bad, and then you gave us this! The mental scars may never go away. |
| 46. | MerryNov 30, 2010 (Tue) @ 7:25pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This episode is just kind of painful to watch. Cringeworthy. Besides the conversation with Spike and Anyay, Giles singing, and the recurring theme of frat parties being riddled with supernatural evils, this episode just...sucks. I can't even find a way to say that eloquently because it's not worth it. |
| 47. | MarcusMar 23, 2011 (Wed) @ 4:22pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| i have steered away from this episode for a long time, but have recently started re-watching the series from the beginning. therefore, obligation to watch this episode. i agree that the main plot was awful (and if i remember correctly, this was similar to BBB because SMG was filming something else), but i give it up to the writer for some quality comedic moments. tracey does comedy well (esp. something blue), but supernatural exposition - not so much. |
| 48. | AfterthebattleMar 27, 2011 (Sun) @ 7:43amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I love it when Xander tells Anya "... we have to work our way through some stuff. It doesn't mean that we rebound with the evil undead". Hellooo Entropy. Also, Where the Wild Things Are and Entropy are both the 18th episode in season 4 and 6 respectively. Wonder if that's a coincidence. |
| 49. | ~cal~May 5, 2011 (Thu) @ 10:39pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Can I still comment after five years? Maybe It's just me but I liked this episode a lot I thought it was really funny and having read some reviews near the top and bottom I realize I just sort of barely saw what you all see. I don't mean I wasn't paying attention, I definitely was, but Normally I Over-analyze everything and when I'm watching this show (and Angel of course) that all just goes away and I just enjoy it. Maybe y'all should do the same, just enjoy it don't think to much it's a funny show. |
| 50. | MikeJerMay 6, 2011 (Fri) @ 10:24amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| @cal: You can comment after twenty years if you want! As for enjoying the show just for enjoying it, well, that's just not the function of this review site. More importantly, Buffy as a show has proven that it is able to do great comedy yet still have substantive character development and thematic cohesion on top of it. Some notable examples include S2's "Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered," S3's "Doppelgangland," S4's "Something Blue," S7's "Storyteller" and, heck, even S5's "Triangle" has way more depth than "Where the Wild Things Are." I expect a whole lot more out of Buffy than a sitcom. Its comedy elements are quite wonderful, but they're only one piece of many that make the show what it is. It can do comedy without sacrificing its other elements, and this episode totally fails in that regard. The points it does get are thanks to the funny bits. With that said, I personally find S7's "Him" overall a whole lot funnier than this if we're talking straight gut-bursting laughter. |
| 51. | ~cal~Jun 24, 2011 (Fri) @ 7:49pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I agree, "Him" is an incredibly funny episode. But as for your not wanting a sitcom I just wanted to know if you prefer it as a supernatural soap opera (which it is)? But I do get your point, this episode does have little depth compared to others. |
| 52. | DaveAug 15, 2011 (Mon) @ 4:26pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Buffy and Riley have the most boring sex. Even Buffy's expression shows that it's barely satisfying. |
| 53. | amberpoochieJan 5, 2012 (Thu) @ 3:47pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| The reference to Dangermouse could in fact be correct. Dangermouse is a cartoon that was on in the 80s in the UK. Tragically I am old enough to remember it!! Its a very neat cultural reference for Spike's character. I think Whedon lived in London for a while and would have seen the cartoon. |
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