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When deciding what score to give an episode I factor in a lot of different things. An episode gets a perfect score because there are no critical flaws in it and it's just so good that I don't need to justify why it's perfect, it simply is. This episode is the exception to what I just said. Because the dreaded "reset button" is used I considered giving this a lower score. After all, none of the characters remember anything that happened afterwards thereby making that entire portion of the episode essentially irrelevant. At least that's what happens most of the time when the "reset button" is used. It happened more times than I can count (or that I'd like to admit I sat through) on Star Trek: Voyager.
There are several things that make this episode different though. The first is that under three quarters of the episode takes place in the alternate reality; the first quarter is important and is remembered by all the characters. The second is that although none of the characters remember anything from the experience, the viewers do, and this is important because we learn vital tidbits about the main characters in the process. The third is that the series doesn't ever do this again. And finally, the fourth, is that this world, where Buffy never came to Sunnydale, is extremely interesting, entertaining, dark, and well done.
This episode has two distinct 'sections' which are connected through Cordelia. Both of these 'sections' are, well, perfect. In the beginning we get some ultra light fun where Buffy slays a corny demon and the group continues their picnic like nothing happened; business as usual. It's here when Xander asks Buffy how she deals with the pain of lost love (and I think he also means life in general). She responds, "I have you guys." The slow dissolution of the Scoobies in the following seasons is why everything will eventually break apart. They don't feel like they "have each other" anymore which is why they keep secrets and grow increasingly separated. This happens to a lot of people when they go to college and out into the work world.
I liked seeing Oz's rejection of Willow's plea for talk. Oz knows that Willow wants to talk with him about what she did so she can feel better about herself. He suitably replies to this by saying "that's not my problem." The scene at the Bronze picks up on all these points while Buffy, Willow, and Xander are moping around and chatting with each other. Xander's trying to move on as soon as possible, Willow feels horrible and wants to make it right with Oz, and Buffy is just kind of confused about everything.
Cordelia attempts to slide back into her old persona again with ease. Happily, and a testament to her character's growth, this doesn't succeed. When unhappy and covered in trash Cordelia comes to the realization that all of her problems stem from Buffy. Anyanka is attempting to get Cordelia to wish something bad upon Xander, but instead ends up granting a different kind of wish. Cordelia wishes that Buffy had never come to Sunnydale in the first place in the hopes that she'd never get tangled up in the supernatural and end up getting together with Xander. She's obviously angry at both Willow and Xander, but by her reaction at the news that they're both dead we can see that she didn't really hate them. It becomes increasingly obvious to her that Buffy is not the cause of her pain.
It's interesting that in the Buffy-less Sunnydale Willow and Xander are vampires. One might argue that Willow got bit during the events of "Welcome to the Hellmouth" (1x01), but remember that it was Buffy who told her to "seize the day" which was the reason she went out into the crowd in the first place. Nevertheless, it still makes sense that eventually one of these two would have been bit and then would have immediately went to change the other. Willow as a vampire is actually pretty terrifying. At first she comes off as a joke but we see her true colors when torturing Angel. Xander rubs off as very much like his human personality. He follows others' leads and works as an underling. Willow takes change and is a powerful minion under the Master. This fits with what we know of Willow's continually growing self confidence.
What's truly the most shocking, though, is how different Buffy is. She is very battle worn, tired, humorless, and has that "death wish" that Spike says all slayers have in "Fool for Love" (5x07). She partially lets the Master snap her neck because she's so tired of fighting. The look on her face leading up to her death says everything. It shows that she is already dead on the inside. Buffy is not a 'special' Slayer in this reality. She fights alone and dies just like all the girls before her. The only thing that makes her unique is that she has to live in a world where the hellmouth is open. When I first saw this episode I found myself wanting to see more of this Buffy's life and how she got to the point she was at. There's a reason why we're seeing Buffy's story in the real world though: she's a unique Slayer there and that is part of what makes her so interesting. What we need to see in an episode like this is a glimpse at how all the main characters would have turned out had Buffy not arrived, and the episode does just that. We never knew pre-Sunnydale Buffy in the first place, so seeing more of her story in this alternate reality wouldn't be terribly interesting.
The episode wraps up with a very chilling battle where Xander kills Angel (how ironic is that), Buffy kills Xander, Oz kills Willow, and the Master kills Buffy, all with beautifully haunting music running over top. Giles destroys Anyanka's power center in the middle of all this and reality is restored back to normal where we see Buffy, Willow, and Xander together and, more or less, happy. To sum this up, I got everything I needed to get from an episode like this. There was time spent dealing with the aftermath of the previous episode, a dark look into an alternate reality Sunnydale, lots of subtle character foreshadowing, and a beautifully chilling ending. Perfect, but I think you already knew that.
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| + | Xander claims to have left 60 or 70 calls on Cordelia's answering machine and actually did. |
| + | A mention of Amy, which sets up her appearance in the next episode. |
| + | Xander fake-laughing at Buffy and Willow to make it appear to Cordelia that he's moved on. |
| + | The Bronze being infested by vampires and the place where they all hang out. It's also fun seeing the Master back, above ground, and basically running Sunnydale. I wonder where the Mayor is. |
| + | Willow and Xander killing Cordelia together in an odd sensual vampiric embrace. |
| + | The Master making use of modern technology. There's a reason why this guy's lived so long. |
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| XANDER: | I've left a few messages. Sixty... Seventy... But you know what really bugs me? (to Willow) Okay, we kissed. It was a mistake. But I know that was positively the last time we were ever gonna kiss. |
| WILLOW: | Darn tootin'! |
| BUFFY: | I'm here for you, Xand. I'm support-o gal. |
| BUFFY: | We're young and free in America. How dare we be spun by love or the lack of same? |
| WILLOW: | Absolutely. I-it's self-indulgent. I-I'm in. I'm on the joy train. |
| : | (a few seconds pass) |
| BUFFY: | That didn't work. Who wants chocolate? |
| ANYANKA: | This is the real world now. This is the world we made. Isn't it wonderful? How do you know the other world is any better than this? |
| GILES: | Because it has to be. |
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| 1. | Daniel HathawayAug 1, 2006 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| While I agree that this is one of the best (if not THE best) episodes of season three, it has two things, both involving the Master, that bug the shit outta me. The first, is that the Master clearly stated in Prophecy Girl that "if you (Buffy) hadn't come, I couldn't go". So he wouldn't have even been free in the first place. But lets say he got free somehow. Where are the demons?! They made such a huge deal out of "if the Master gets free, the world ends because demons as big as dinosaurs are going to pour out of the Hellmouth and overrun the world." Much like the beginning of season six, with all those monsters having poured out of the hole created by the Key (that Hellraiser/Aliens-looking building and that dragon) and the creators making no attempt to document the remaining Scoobies efforts to eliminate them sans Buffy. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but to me those are major plot holes. |
| 2. | MikeJerAug 1, 2006 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| If Buffy had never come to Sunnydale, the Master's attempt at getting free in "The Harvest" would have succeeded. His comment to Buffy in "Prophecy Girl" refers to that particular event and prophecy, because Buffy was destined to be there. With reality altered by Anya, everything gets whacked out and the prophecies surrounding Buffy all become invalid (hence why Angel's in being tortured in Sunnydale saying that it was his destiny to help Buffy, but she never showed). The demon issue isn't directly addressed, but it's likely that the bigger demons that came out of the hellmouth headed off for major metro areas to do maximum carnage. I don't think the lack of explanation here hurts the episode though. As for the events of "The Gift," I always kind of assumed that when the portal was closed, all the demons got sucked back into their normal realities. But who knows, maybe that dragon at the end of "Not Fade Away" (AtS 5x22) is actually the one that came out of Glory's portal in "The Gift." ;) |
| 3. | GroundedAug 8, 2006 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "The demon issue isn't directly addressed, but it's likely that the bigger demons that came out of the hellmouth headed off for major metro areas to do maximum carnage." I don't think that satisfactorily explains it. Daniel has a point - it's a flub. |
| 4. | Professor FalkenAug 20, 2006 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
It's not the only one. In the first episode it's implied that Giles came to Sunnydale because Buffy was coming. Ditto Angel. Neither of them should be here either. Further, it doesn't make much sense for Giles to be using the library as his base of operations in this world since vampires are free to enter. Everyone else in Sunnydale goes home at sundown for safety - why shouldn't the White Hats operate out of a non-public building? There are many more vampires in this world, and they know Giles et al as a nuissance. It doesn't seem plausible that he would have survived to this point hanging out at night in the school library. The episode is very cool in lots of ways, though. I especially like the fact that Willow is pushed onto a stake - in some ways recreating the way that Cordelia got hurt after seeing the Xander/Willow kiss. I also like Cordelia's line about Xander and Willow still being together even in "bizarro world." Lots of complaints are made on this site about the Xander/Willow "illicit smoochies" not being in character. I can see that and agree to a certain extent (it bothers me how quickly it happened and how little effort they both put into fighting it off), but I actually think it makes sense overall. They've known each other forever, and the attraction is real. Xander doesn't seize on it for a while because dating for him is about proving himself. Once he gets Cordelia, though, and is convinced she really likes him (seeing his picture in her locker seems to cinch that for him), admitting feelings for Willow isn't such an admission of defeat. For Willow's part - it makes sense for Willow to be the one with the explicit and long(er)-term crush on Xander because Willow doesn't actually want to go out in the world and get dates. There's a side of Willow (which we see again when Tara comes along) that wants easy, comforting, homey relationships. The dominatrix-wear on her vampire version is really appropriate here: there's a side of Willow that wants a relationship where she's completely in control of the other and has him/her all to herself. She says as much when she tells Tara that she didn't introduce her to her friends because she wants something that's "mine." Xander fits this profile perfectly. He's a childhood friend she's known all her life, and he's ultimately a follower. Definite "comfort zone" material. Willow misses the days when it was just her and Xander against the world (note comment on his membership in the "We Hate Cordelia" club when that secret first surfaces). You could say that Xander's "coming" and Willow's "going" (having met Oz and having had that work out, she's probably just about ready to give up on her attraction to Xander - but old habits and desires die hard, and when he starts subtly requiting...well, you know) - and they just kind of meet in the brief period the window's open on it. Point being: Willow and Xander have a definite bond, and Cordelia knows that during her time with Xander she wasn't really ever able to get him to look at her the same way he looks at Buffy and Willow. The Xander/Cordelia relationship never had much substance. The Willow/Oz relationship had substance, but ultimately not enough, as we learn. Oz isn't actually what Willow's looking for. So I found it fitting that Cordelia makes a wish and still doesn't get what she wants: Xander's with Willow anyway. Be careful what you wish for indeed. |
| 5. | Hale_GoodfellowOct 6, 2006 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great episode. Loved the character insights and the exploration of destiny vs. free will. It was great seeing the Master again...and the Mayor was there. He was being tortured in a scene at the Bronze. |
| 6. | AeCJan 28, 2007 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| My favorite thing about this episode was the structural nod to Psycho. In Psycho, we have the first act of the movie shown from Janet Leigh's perspective, setting us up to believe she's the main character, the heroine, only to have her killed off a third of the way through the film. Similarly, we have the first few acts of "The Wish" told almost entirely from Cordelia's perspective, only to have her murdered on camera midway through the proceedings. In addition to throwing things off kilter narrative-wise, it also ups the "jeopardy" angle, since Cordelia is the only one who even knows things are not how they should be and would seem to be the only one who would know to take action. Plus, traditionally in these sorts of stories (cf. any number of "mirror universe" stories in the Star Trek franchise), the ones who realize something has gone wrong are the ones who end up fixing it in the end, and maybe even gaining some sort of insight in the process. Noxon beautifully subverted both of these conventions by having Cordelia die (and, in a sense, kept things completely in character for her; if there's anyone on this show who wouldn't learn something at the end of the hour, wouldn't it be Cordelia?) Also, I believe Hale_Goodfellow is correct; that looks like Harry Groener tied to the pool table when Xander and Willow first enter The Bronze. |
| 7. | MrBFeb 23, 2007 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| The show does do one more "reset" button - Normal Again in Season 6. You might want to make reference to that in that review. They are very different in tone, but it is the same button. |
| 8. | MikeJerFeb 23, 2007 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| There is no reset button in "Normal Again." In fact, NA is the opposite of the reset button in the fact that what Buffy gains (and remembers) from the experience finally brings her out of depression. The reset button is when the characters don't remember anything that happened in the episode. This is completely untrue of "Normal Again," unless you're one of those people who thinks the end of the episode is telling us that Sunnydale isn't real. If that's the case, then I can only say I'm sorry you feel that way. The evidence presented in the episode clearly shows that is not the case. When I review NA I'll explain why in great detail. |
| 9. | AustinAug 23, 2007 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| About Giles and Angel being in sunnydale, Cordy's wish wasn't specific about how buffy "never moved to sunnydale" so it could be that alternate events caused a change in plans so drasic and unexpectedly that Giles and Angel were already in sunnydale, waiting for Buffy to arrive when she ended up going to...(Cleveland?) |
| 10. | ChristineSep 17, 2007 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| definately up there as one of the top 3 episodes for me. And also, that end battle makes me cry, even though we know it isn't "real". But the way it was done is just so powerful. |
| 11. | TamoraSep 21, 2007 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Consider me significantly blushing, but I must add another pro: Willow and leather. At all. In any way, shape or form. I can go die now. *is ded... and yet continues blushing* |
| 12. | buffyholicOct 23, 2007 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This is one episode that I just love beyond reason, it´s so perfect, so dark, so absolutely amazing. This gets better with each viewing. And not only the part of the wish, the first part with all the Scoobies, trying to deal with all that happenned is very good too. I love this so much that I can´t justify it enough, I just know this is perfect. |
| 13. | CarolynNov 15, 2007 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I also really love this episode - but the thing I don't get is why the Master and all the other vamps are so excited about their new blood production line - it looks a lot more hassle and a lot less efficient than just biting people to me!! |
| 14. | Woohoo1729Dec 10, 2007 (Mon)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This is one of my favorites too, for sure--prolly one of my top 3. I didn't realize til after repeated viewings that even Anya didn't remember the alternate dimension. I think it could've been nice if she did. Although it's also nice that we're the only ones who've seen more than just a few glimpses of that dimension (as Anya and Willow did during the spell in Doppelgangland, if I remember correctly). It provides us with dramatic irony for the rest of the series--where we know something that none of the other main characters know. I don't have anything more profound to say, I just really gush over this episode. |
| 15. | SchattenkindFeb 23, 2008 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This is definately one of my top ten episodes. One thing I espescially love about it is that it shows just how dark the series can be, and will be in later series. It shows that the series can do dark, and can do it well. In my mind it opens the doors for what happens in later seasons. Plus, it is just plain cool. |
| 16. | leeMay 4, 2008 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| innocence, fool for love, who r u?, THE WISH, harsh light of day. top5 episode(not in order) |
| 17. | JadenJun 11, 2008 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| joss should be the screenwriter for the next saw movie cause the blood machine was AWESOME. P.S. he should stop killing all the asians though, someones bound to complain. |
| 18. | NixJun 11, 2008 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Oh, that's just the Sunnydale Appearance Preference Filter at work. Everyone not an uncommonly attractive Caucasian dies, always, whether a major character or not. Sometimes it takes a while (e.g. Jonathan) but it always works. Mr. Trick spotted this but unaccountably failed to flee. I suspect the Mayor insisted on it. Maybe he disliked ugly people or something, and just overdid it a bit (and of course since he had 19th century attitudes this would tend to off anyone non-Caucasian). This has been your free daily wild-assed guess. |
| 19. | TonyJun 15, 2008 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Also one of my favourite episodes. The ending where everyone dies is so great. Also introduced Anya, my favourite character of the series for sure. |
| 20. | JvampAug 23, 2008 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Noticed something on my second viewing...When we first get to the bronze, I'm pretty sure that we see a Vampire feeding on Faith! The camera glides right past as its going on and I'm fairly sure that it's her...Anyone else think this or am I crazy? |
| 21. | JadenAug 27, 2008 (Wed)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Jvamp: in an interview or commentary or something i remember the writer saying that it actually want faith who was getting bit though that would have been a great way of using that character in the alternate world. oh and its marti who should be the screenwriter for saw not joss. |
| 22. | PaulaDec 11, 2008 (Thu)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Just saw this for the second time last night. This is such a dark and intriguing episode. In particular, both Xander and Willow make chillingly cool (is that "freezing"? :-)) vampires. Regarding the complaint that it makes no sense for Giles and/or Angel to be in town if Buffy never came, the way I take Anyanka's wish-granting powers is that they are great but still limited. So she didn't grant Cordelia's wish by changing everything so that it would have made sense for Buffy to be elsewhere, and everyone else would have acted accordingly; she simply had Buffy not come to Sunnydale, but didn't change the fact that she was fully expected to come. Thus the presence of Giles and Angel (who no doubt both had their hands full as soon as they arrived). My own complaint would be the pretty astonishing use of the school library by the white hats as their base of action, what with this being a public space which vampires may and do enter as they please. It doesn't make all that much sense in the regular BtVS reality, and it makes even less here. Why didn't they just meet at Giles's house?! Also, now that I'm viewing the whole show the second time I realize that Anya as a character (particularly as a vengeance demon) was modified in many ways after this - what's with her having Cordelia wear the pendant, for example? Since they probably didn't originally intend to bring her back again, as a regular anyway, this is pretty understandable though. One more thought - I suppose Oz and Larry had ended up becoming Giles's little helpers (sort of alternative-reality Scoobies) because they were both a little different from the other schoolkids (werewolf, gay). I wonder what Nancy's story was? |
| 23. | TaraApr 19, 2009 (Sun)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I only have one slight issue with this episode, Mike, and it's one of the things you listed on your 'Pros': that is the Master's use of modern technology. Nothing from what we've seen of the Master - especially from his appearence in Angel's 'Darla' - suggests that this would be something he'd be up for. The impression I get of the centuries-old Master, part of the Order of Aurelius is that he's a great follower of antiquated ritual and tradition. I really can't see him being a great innovator of technological advancements, especially one that completely eradicates the premise of vampires being predators and set apart from humans in the first place.
However, the rest of this episode is just so damn good that it doesn't bother me too much. Particularly the picture we get of a jaded, hardened and ruthless Buffy; a pointer of just how much the stabilising influence of her family and friends have prevented such a chilling outcome, and we see the cause of much of Faith's cynicism that hides a profound loneliness, that will explode into the open in future episodes. |
| 24. | ChristianJun 9, 2009 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This was a great ep. It's always fun to see a "What If" kind of reality. The fact that Anya is introduced in this ep just makes it so much better. |
| 25. | KateSep 5, 2009 (Sat)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Bottom line is, this episode doesn't deserve 100. You know it. |
| 26. | BaronSep 22, 2009 (Tue)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I'm surprised nobody has pointed this out yet, when Willow makes reference to the fact that Vampire Willow seemed gay it indicates what lies ahead for her. I love the fact that this was something that was picked up later on in the series although it was only a small throw away comment contained in this episode. It's clear that the writers had intended that Willow would eventually end up in a same sex relationship and used this episode to tell the viewers how her character would progress. |
| 27. | BaronSep 25, 2009 (Fri)View This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Just realised that my above comment is actually about Dopplegangland. Oops! |
| 28. | Katie JDec 1, 2009 (Tue) @ 4:46pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "Hey, watch it with those things. You almost got my hair." Gets me every time. I was always curious where the term "white hats" came from. |
| 29. | ShannonDec 3, 2009 (Thu) @ 1:31pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| @KatieJ - I believe it's a reference to the fact that in Westerns the good guys typically wear white cowboy hats, while the bad guys always wear black ones. |
| 30. | zdravkoDec 13, 2009 (Sun) @ 8:14amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| One of my complaints with the episode was, despite the fact it was one of the series' best with its unique disturbing and dark feel, it was such a missed opportunity not to include the character of Jenny Calendar in the ep, as one of the possible bad side-effects of "buffyized" Sunnydale, being alive and fighting alongside Giles, just to slighly further the moral grayness the series already tried to implement in season 3. Otherwise, pleasantly surprised. There are some plotholes (still not convinced what is Giles actually doing in Sunnydale), but this is one of the creepiest hours the show had to offer (especially the first minutes of Cordelia seeing what she had done, mentions of curfew, introduction to the "improved" Xander and Willow, and the classic Bronze scene. Kudos to the one stating Cordelia's Psycho moment - nicely put. |
| 31. | ShannonFeb 10, 2010 (Wed) @ 4:45pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| After rewatching this I think I agree with whoever said that this episode would be better if someone remembered the alternate Sunnydale (maybe that was in the forum, I can't find it here). It's really cool and disturbing to see what happens without Buffy (and to Buffy wherever she ended up), and that last fight scene is phenomenal, but it does feel kind of empty in the sense that nobody, particularly Cordelia, realize how much Buffy has changed Sunnydale, and vice versa. I think Doppelgangland may be better in this sense - that the gang realizes there is some alternate universe out there where Willow was vamped, and that it wouldn't be hard to infer that Buffy prevented that outcome. |
| 32. | G1000May 18, 2010 (Tue) @ 11:54amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Don't really get the perfect score for this one. It was a less cheesy clone of "Nightmares". It was good, but compared to "Revelations" and "Lover's Walk" it was weak. |
| 33. | Smallprint84May 20, 2010 (Thu) @ 4:13amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| @Shannon,
and it is also funny that Buffy wears a black cowboyhat in "Pangs". So here wears the good guy (well good girl) a bad guy hat. Also so hilarious when Buffy says: "imaginary Xander is quite the machine." |
| 34. | EmilyMay 20, 2010 (Thu) @ 5:03amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I agree with G1000. This episode, though it is fairly entertaining, certainly has no lasting impact on the series. |
| 35. | fray-adjacentMay 24, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:08amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| What a fantastic episode -- totally agree with your review, MikeJer. "The Wish" contains the only scene in BtVS that I've only seen once: the part where the Master demonstrates the blood production machine on that poor girl. The mechanization of it, the knowledge that she's still alive and paralyzed -- it's just so disturbing and gross that I leave the room for a minute when I re-watch that episode. |
| 36. | fray-adjacentMay 24, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:09amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| What a fantastic episode -- totally agree with your review, MikeJer. "The Wish" contains the only scene in BtVS that I've only seen once: the part where the Master demonstrates the blood production machine on that poor girl. The mechanization of it, the knowledge that she's still alive and paralyzed -- it's just so disturbing and gross that I leave the room for a minute when I re-watch that episode. |
| 37. | LizzieJun 30, 2010 (Wed) @ 4:24pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great review Mike. Spot on. I can't help but to think that Oz is the wisest 'buffy' character. |
| 38. | LizzieJun 30, 2010 (Wed) @ 4:30pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Also, you know what i love? That the first time I saw this episode, I had no clue what Anya was up to. Wow, watching it in retrospect really makes things funny, somehow. Knowing how Anya Ends up is AMAZING when watching her here. I also gotta say that almost 90% of the time I think of Anya as my favorite character in the entire buffyverse... |
| 39. | IdaJul 5, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:44amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I REALLY love this episode, but it's fra from perfect. Too many holes in the story. But still one of my favorite episodes cause it's so entertaining. And I really like vampire Willow! |
| 40. | nathan.taurusAug 20, 2010 (Fri) @ 12:06amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Perhaps the reason Giles in Sunnydale is because he trained the Slayer three years earlier and she was killed by the Master so he could escape. He said he was a Watcher so maybe once his Slayer died he stuck around because he felt responsible.
The Good: The fifty or sixty-odd messages that Xander left Cordelia. Buffy, Willow and Xander at the Bronze. Cordelia still looks sexy with trash in her hair. Vampire Xander and Willow in the leather. They should hang out with Dru and Spike. The fantastic library scene with Vamp Willow and Xand draining Cordy with no sound, until they have the noise of the key dropping. Giles calls upon Anyanka. "Do you have any idea what I do to a man who uses that spell to summon me?" The perfect fight where everybody dies and Giles fights with Anyanka. The slo-mo is the best with the haunting instrumental music. The Bad: Why would they think the demon would dissolve? The asian Harmony-ette. She doesn't fit. Not because she's asian, because she's annoying. People still live in Sunnydale with so much more death. |
| 41. | yippers6Aug 28, 2010 (Sat) @ 11:11amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| it would be cool if when buffy walked up to giles spike was with and giles would be all like what the hell! that would be awesome just to see the look on his face seeing spike working with buffy. plus that would suprise you if you were watching that episode for the fist time and had seen season two. it would just be so funny. |
| 42. | RobbieAug 29, 2010 (Sun) @ 5:55pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Another foreshadowing that you should have mentioned here is when vampire Willow shows up she says "Bored now", same phrase Dark Willow says just before flaying Warren. |
| 43. | yippers6Nov 1, 2010 (Mon) @ 6:42pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| @Robbie that isn't until Dopplegangland |
| 44. | AliceNov 5, 2010 (Fri) @ 1:27amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I always had the impression that Anya remembered the events in this episode. In Dopplegangland, Anya knew where her necklace was and recognised that vamp Willow belonged to the alternate reality. If her magic didn't affect Cordelia's memory when the alternate reality was created, surely it wouldn't affect her's either? |
| 45. | fray-adjacentNov 13, 2010 (Sat) @ 7:33pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I think it's safe to assume Anya doesn't remember. How would she ever have started hanging out in the same social circle as Giles if she knew he'd been the one to rob her of her powers? I don't think a little crush on Xander would've been enough to overcome that. One thing that always bugs me is how "Selfless" is inconsistent with this. You'd think that, once the Scoobies learned that Anya'd become a vengeance demon again, they'd try to find out how to stop her, and they'd come across the same text that Giles finds here, instructing them to destroy her power center. But the writers seem to have completely forgotten this and instead have Buffy try to kill Anya. (Also, they state that all of her wishes are undone, but the demon in "Hell's Bells" is unchanged.) |
| 46. | LizNov 30, 2010 (Tue) @ 12:02pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Even in an alternate reality Oz makes Willow fall to pieces. tehe! |
| 47. | MattMar 6, 2011 (Sun) @ 8:44pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Personally, I hate these kind of "what if" episodes. Everybody watching the show knows that everything will be hunky dory by the end, so it seems to me that it's just a way for the writers to flex their muscles. It was cool to see Giles and Oz as white hats, though. |
| 48. | AndreaApr 23, 2011 (Sat) @ 12:01amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Angel's presence is explained here when Buffy finds him in the cage at The Bronze. That's how he knows her name - Whistler has already told him about her and brought him to see her at the high school in LA. Angel came up to Sunnydale to wait for Buffy to arrive, but (presto change-o!) she never does. I don't think this explains Giles's presence, though, because he had no clue until Cordelia said something that Buffy was supposed to be his slayer. Here's the relevant dialogue (from buffyworld.com): Angel: Buffy Summers. She turns to face Angel and gives him an inquiring look. Angel gets another look at her, and now he's sure. Angel: (weakly) It's you. I mean... you don't remember. How could you? Buffy: How did you know my name? Angel: I waited. I waited here for you. But you never... I was supposed to help you. Buffy: (huffs) You were gonna help me. Angel: (weakly) The Master rose. He let me live... to punish me. I kept hoping maybe you'd come. My destiny. |
| 49. | fray-adjacentApr 24, 2011 (Sun) @ 6:11pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Andrea, I agree about Angel, but I believe Giles knew that Buffy was the slayer. In the alternate reality she went to Cleveland instead of Sunnydale, but he was still stationed there, presumably to deal with the demonic activity there despite the Watchers' Council insistence that there was no Hellmouth there. (Remember that Fate brought Buffy to Sunnydale, not the WC; presumably in this world Fate sent her to Cleveland.) I interpreted Giles' reaction to Cordelia as shock that *she* knew about Buffy and about slayers, and specifically that he was a Watcher. Interestingly, while double-checking the dialogue related to my comment, I noticed that when Giles calls the council, this is what he says: "Yes, I understand, but it's imperative that I see her. Here. (listens) Well... when will you? (listens) Yeah, well, you are her Watcher. I'd expect her to at least check in to... (listens) Yes, I'm aware that there's a great deal of demonic activity in Cleveland. (listens) It... Well, it happens, you know, that, that Sunnydale is on a Hellmouth. (listens) It, it is so! (listens) Well... Just... Just give her the message, if you ever see her again. (hangs up)" It sounds like alternate-reality Buffy is just as rebellious against her Watcher as Sunnydale Buffy. What makes her different is that lack of connection to people and to the world that Spike talks about in "Fool for Love." The writers seem to be implying that, while Buffy's "think outside the box" method is important, it's not enough. She needs her relationships in order to sustain her so that she keeps up the will to win. |
| 50. | deadlegoApr 25, 2011 (Mon) @ 7:24amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| yes, anya remembers the events of this episode and the events of this episode effect a lot of people in 'doppelgangland', and also anyone who is effected by anya losing her powers; if you think of the butterfly effect then theoretically this could be millions of people. |
| 51. | ShinyNormanAug 6, 2011 (Sat) @ 11:09amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Isn't this episode primarily about inversion and desires, rather than mirrors? Dark desires, forbidden desires, unfulfilled desires, starting/departing from forbidden desires gone awry (Cordie-Xander-Wlllow triangle) and Buffy disconnected from everyone. Instead of being an episode about character development, it's more an episode about our development as the audience who knows everything. We're asked to look inside ourselves. Also, there's not a lot of emotion here. It's just an emotionally "dead" and matter-of-fact environment, which makes it dark but not eerie. Maybe how we see ourselves stripped of power, and dominated by overwhelming domination? Fate or destiny are stripped of their goodness, which is pretty much how the Greeks thought of the Fates and Destiny. It isn't romanticized. Riding ponies, the evil coldness of mass production, the inverted population (absence instead of presence) where everyone goes about life repressed by fear and living under siege where altWillow+altXander are Lust fully released and Buffy seeks battle cynically and as a Spartan. (The scar on her lip is fabulous. I didn't care much for the military fatigues, though; I thought that was trite. Is there no other opposite to fashion we can think of?) In a mirror, you're flipped but not inverted. Left is still left, right is still right. In this alt universe, everything is flipped and inverted upside down; double whammy. In this universe, there are no weapons gathered from Buffy's battles, so we're defenseless and primitive; the vamps are tech sophisticated here. The Scoobies don't have magic, either. Larry is a football player, and a tough warrior; Oz wouldn't be a wolf in this 'verse. Cordy gets to taunt altWillow in the cage, but is still dumb as a post and can't tune in to altWillow's attitude because Cordie is so self-centered, but she is also representing here (as always) pure absence of guile. We viewers get a view of our own inverted desires and what-ifs; what if Cordie got her just deserves for being a guileless ambitious bitch? what if Buffy isn't caring underneath?. Her mom is in Cleveland, but obviously doesn't have the stability factor going there, so no middle class life with middle class goodness values exist there. Buffy is Faith. Oz, Giles, and Larry are shown as what it is to be in the 'Now' and simply coping (normal human existence), with no introspection, and the bad guys (domination) win all around. We're confronted with defeat. By this point, the season we kind of needed to see for ourselves "what would happen ifs" of a different kind. It's a real turning point in the entire story arc; random adventures like death masks and undead cats, or hyenas, become focused on the the Mayor's ascension project. (I will speculate that by this point SMG had gained a much deeper influence in the character development.) I think Anya may not know about the alternate 'verse when the change-back happens; she knows how to get her amulet back, but not exactly where from. Willow didn't need to see much at all to sense this was a hell dimension, and takes back her chicken feet --- Willow is deals very well with setting boundaries here, something Xander can't quite get straight, and Buffy has real deep issues about. Boundary keeping is really disturbed by forbidden things. |
| 52. | HolleeAug 16, 2011 (Tue) @ 5:34pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great episode, makes me squeal of sadness every single time Oz stakes Willow, but I had to add a continuity error my sister and I were dying from. In the scene in the library with Giles and Buffy, the book in Giles hand is magically opening and closing on its own. Editor flaw! |
| 53. | smallprint84Oct 14, 2011 (Fri) @ 3:28amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Also I find it amazing that they pulled a "Hitchcock-moment" here, with Cordelia as the leading herione trying to save the day and then kill her in the middle of the episode. |
| 54. | smallprint84Oct 14, 2011 (Fri) @ 3:28amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| oops, bad spelling: heroine, I meant. |
| 55. | AllieNov 3, 2011 (Thu) @ 5:19pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I recently just started watching Buffy again for the first time since they quit playing it on TV. Netflix FTW! There are very few moments that stick in my memory from way back when. The look on Buffy's face when the Master snaps her neck has always been one of those moments. Not sure why, but I agree with what Mikejer said; that it seems like she gave up and let it happen. That scene gives me chills. I wish there was more parallel universe Buffy in this episode. More background on her. But still one of my favorite episodes. |
| 56. | Gemma Jan 2, 2012 (Mon) @ 8:43amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| This is my all time favourite Buffy episode simply because it is so memorable; the two concepts that flow throughout this episode produce a number of insightful moments. I love it! My reason for loving this episode so much is the plot which takes place after Cordelia has made her wish. I agree with you Mike regarding the comment you made about the audience remembering the alternate reality, this is conducive to the insights we get from this episode. I admire the writers meddle with the shows foundation, making it a dystopia. Buffy's life in the alternative reality is intriguing and seems quintessential of Kendra's. I too would have like to have spent time exploring this Buffy's life Mike and i would love to know how she came about that scare on her lip? Especially as slayers have heightened healing powers! My favourite moment or perhaps message that this episode makes poignant is that Buffy wouldn't Buffy without the Scoobies and her other earthly ties. Another favourite scene of mine is the slow fight scene with Angel, Xander, WIllow and Buffy all dying. Kudos to the writers on making this episode a perfect mate to season one don't you think? The prophecy that the Master will rise and the Slayer will die is fulfilled and seeing the Sunnydale subverted to vampiric rule is great! I love the Master in this ep, his whimsical nature and penchant for the modern age is cool! Ultimately the best! |
| 57. | BrockJan 16, 2012 (Mon) @ 5:58pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Its actually really not that good, its fairly poorly written and directed episode with multiple plot holes. Once you see past the gimmick of the episode, its not that good. |
| 58. | Gemma Jan 17, 2012 (Tue) @ 12:22pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I disagree with Brook, i won't repeat the points i made but for me the episode let us into the lives of Buffy, Willow, Xander and Giles with a what if principal. It answered the what if sentiment of the season one final if Xander hadn't performed CPR on our Buffy. The fact that the characters don't remember 'The Wish' even lets us see Buffy with the it was all a dream and as Mike the reset button used on Lost and so many other shows. I truly love this episode but everyone is entitled to an opinion and i'm sure that you may love an episode i dislike. |
| 59. | BrockJan 17, 2012 (Tue) @ 1:38pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| But it wasn't that good beyond its premise. The writing wasn't particularly good and neither was the acting by Charisma in this episode. Concept can only take an episode so far, it also needs great writing, but "The Wish" had too many plot holes and implausibilities. Anya handing Cordelia her necklace (which is basically her power source) at the beginning was one of the biggest contrivances I've ever seen. |
| 60. | fray-adjacentJan 17, 2012 (Tue) @ 4:43pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Brock, can you explain more what your criticisms are of the writing, directing, and acting? I recall being rather impressed with the former two and perfectly satisfied with the third, so I'm curious to hear what you dislike in more detail. |
| 61. | BrockJan 17, 2012 (Tue) @ 10:44pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| After Cordelia is killed, the episode kind of goes downhill the most. But before that we have the contrivance of Anya actually tying her necklace around Cordelia (??) just so that Giles can take it off her body and identify it (how convenient that he saw it and randomly decided to rob her of it). Then of course once he takes it off Anya, she just stands there and doesn't even try to stop him until he crushes it. The dialogue was really cheesy throughout especially once Buffy came onto the scene, and the stuff with Angel seemed totally unnecessarily stuffed in just so the episode would feature him. And why were Giles and his vampire fighters in the library exactly? It was awfully stupid considering any Vampire could just walk in, and they did on two occassions was it? We also got very little sense of what society was really like and what the reaction was to the whole vampire things. A couple of cool things like garlic on the lockers and a curfew, but it would been more interesting to get a wider view about what was going on. The factory scene at the end was kind of silly, and how did those humans stand up to the vampires so well? It just wasn't a tight episode. The writing didn't live up to the concept. |
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