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When do we give up on people? Is there a point when we stop believing for the best, hoping they will change for the better, or do we hold out no matter what? It is a difficult question, one that we have to face one way or the other during our lives; as a teacher, when do I stop hoping the rude boy in the last row gets his act together? If I never stopped, I would be called naive – and yet, what if he does change?
If it came down to Connor, the boy would be expelled sooner rather than later. His experience growing up in Quor'toth did not make him into a sentimental person. Angel told him that, should Angelus be freed, he would have to kill him. And Connor is fine with that – of course, Holtz's long influence probably plays a role in that decision as well. But also look at "Tomorrow" [3x22]: he says a quick goodbye to Holtz and then chops his head off. And now he's naturally wondering, "how long does it take to chop off Lilah's head?"
Wesley is no Connor, though. After the crew finds Lilah's body, presumably killed by Angelus – though the audience finally knows Cordelia is the evil mastermind – he is the one who takes it on himself to decapitate her. It is a last gift from him; it would be far easier to have Connor do it, or to burn her body, but instead he will take care of it. He is arguably the closest person to Lilah – especially from her point of view.
One thing I always find curious is when Connor mentions that they have to make sure Lilah won't come back a vampire, it is Gunn who argues against it. Gunn, who grew up fighting vampires on the street, and who had to kill his own sister, should be the first to agree with Connor, not argue with him. Especially since Lilah was an enemy. In an episode that is very light on character moments for Gunn, Fred and Lorne, it's a shame this one moment smells false.
Back to Wesley. Every time I see his scene with Lilah in the basement I wonder about the first time I watched it: when she sits up, did I think she really had become alive? It's because I like the cut so much, when we switch from her walking and talking to lying dead on the slab. It is a hard cut, and helps bring Wesley's grief home.
Did he love her? I don't know, to be honest. I don't think he used her, not any more than she used him. Wesley claims Lilah didn't love him, she couldn't, but again, I'm not sure. They did share intimate moments, and I think they also got some peace of mind when they were together – and maybe that's enough.
It's not enough for Wesley, though. Wesley is not Connor, as I said above. It seems like Wesley has fallen, but no matter how dirty he got there was still some white visible on his sleeves. Lilah hits it home when she remarks on Wesley's regret: he couldn't save her. In spite of Lilah's repeated misdeeds, in spite of her amoral survivalism, in spite of his own professed bleak outlook, Wesley still wanted to save her. He still held out hope, he did not give up. And again, Lilah is right that Wesley got that from Angel.
As an aside, Lilah is also right in that her death makes things easier for Wesley. Just when he is really torn between Lilah and a possible future for him and Fred, Lilah dies. Wesley does not have to decide. I don't think his decision would have been very much in doubt; he'd probably have chosen Fred anyway and at least this way we're spared a storyline where Lilah is the proverbial woman scorned, but still: it does simplify things, which is unusual for Mutant Enemy.
Who to turn to for help but Faith? Faith had once been where Angel is now: seemingly irredeemable. But Angel helped her redeem herself nonetheless. Where the dead Lilah seems to be proof that Angelus must be killed, Faith is proof that there is always another way. Wesley needs that proof, but even more so he needs Faith herself. And indeed, she quickly points out to Wesley, "there's no way I'm giving up on him." As Wes says, that's why it had to be her. We will see in the next episodes how important this conviction is, as Faith risks her own life – indeed is willing to die in order to bring Angel back, and only thus manages to do just that.
It's worth noting that Faith only appears close to the second act break, roughly halfway through the episode. When I think of Salvage, I think of it as a Faith episode and enjoy it as one. I think that is an effect of the more forgettable parts of this episode. While Wesley has his immensely watchable scene with Lilah, the rest of the crew is left with not a lot to do. And what's there isn't that good.
Normally, Mutant Enemy is skillful in the way they shine a light on secondary or even tertiary characters. While every episode has somebody who is relegated to the background, the writers often manage to pull off some nice character moments despite plot constraints. Here, though, it seems the writers were clueless what to do with Lorne, Gunn and Fred. They're just sitting around the lobby, waiting, and then putting together the sanctuary spell without much character revelation. Later on, Lorne and Fred are left at the hotel while Gunn is sent back to guard Connor (as if he could). Disappointing. Also, after conjuring the sanctuary, Lorne of all people attacks Connor with candelabra. Yes, it shows the spell worked, but I find it very hard to believe Lorne would do that, let alone with a weapon. In fact, the only other time I can remember Lorne attacking anyone is in "Not Fade Away" [5x22].
Whilst Wesley comes to the realization that he will try and save Angel, Connor almost leaves to hunt Angelus down. Right now, that's not to Cordelia's liking – she wants Angelus on her side – so she fakes a fall. Since the audience is clued in to her true motives (more or less), she now gets to manipulate Connor more openly. We see how much she's got him under her influence when he is immediately distracted from wanting to kill his father and rushes to her side.
Of course, that only holds up as long as Faith doesn't show up – a monkey wrench in Cordelia's plan that almost makes her betray herself and later makes her tell Connor about the pregnancy just to retain her hold on him. When Angelus kills the Beast, Connor might just be the last person she has on her side and she must not lose him to a slayer.
Connor also gets to fret about magic. This is something that grates me – not that I don't believe Connor would be so much against magic, but in "Inside Out" [4x17] Cordelia uses a magical ritual to give birth and there is no follow-up on his dislike of magic. The writers make it a point of character that Connor hates magic, but in the episode where he is torn between Cordy and Darla it doesn't come up. Hence my dislike.
While we're waiting for Faith there's also an extremely awful scene where Angelus enters a demon bar and finds some flunkies to lead him to the Beast. I hate that scene. It seems too easy for Angelus to return back into the demon fold. I mean, what stopped Angel from going to that bar, staking a vampire and being treated as evil? It's not that Angelus kills a human being or something similar. He does nothing at all that Angel couldn't do as well. And with the eternal midnight and all the chaos going on, I doubt that just a few hours after Angelus got away he would already be the talk of the town.
Oh, and there's also a scene with Faith. So I lied, Faith shows up earlier, but I don't count the prison fight scene. It's not a good fight scene, what with this other inmate snarling how she needed the money while already being on the ground, and then Faith punching her with weights, which always strikes me as extremely brutal (though not filmed that way). Okay, the Bringer knife alludes to Buffy and newcomers to the show might need that scene to see Faith is a strong fighter, but we also get the fight against the vampires later on and I can't help but feel this scene is redundant.
But then, finally, Wesley visits her. The last time they saw each other, Faith tortured Wesley who was angry at Angel for not killing her. Look at how much Wesley's grown -- that he's willing to break Faith out of prison if it means saving Angel when she should be the last person he'd want to see. In a way, it's Wesley's 'ends before means' approach – he wants to save Angel so he does what needs to be done. But also, it shows that Wesley is able to look at the larger picture and forgive. This is a sign of character growth. Just imagine an Abu Ghraib inmate asking Lynndie England for help. The scene between Wes and Faith is my favorite in this episode. Wesley just has to tell her about Angelus, and she's ready to go. See the quotes below.
I love how Faith takes charge as soon as she's in the hotel, even defusing Cordelia's criticisms quite easily. She is in control and it's understandable not only that Gunn, being the good soldier, falls in line, but even Connor shuts up. Their short fight in the alley is great and reminds me of Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon in the way Faith simply blocks Connor's attacks and doesn't attack on her own -- a pure display of dominance. And when she sends him home, Connor obeys.
Then we get the fight scene with the Beast. It is awesome, but it is also more than that. Remember that during the Darla storyline Wolfram and Hart said that they didn't want Angelus, but Angel on their side? Here we see why.
Wolfram and Hart, at least until the fifth season, was evil – but it was also a law firm. They represent order as much as they represent evil. It's what they offer Lindsey, too: control. In "Untouched" [2x04] it's clear they want the telekinetic girl as an assassin they can control, or not at all. And Angelus cannot, will not, be controlled.
Cordelia has not learned that lesson. She thinks simply confronting Angelus with the unbeatable Beast will be enough to bring him in line, that simply being evil means he'll work with – for her. But he "doesn't like having [his] strings yanked." And she cannot control him the way she controls the Beast: with sex.
No matter whether it fits with the character of the Beast, when Cordy kisses him we see that she's doing the same to Connor, and we know that should push come to shove, he might side with Cordelia here. Now, I don't especially like that this female bad girl uses her sexuality to control her followers (and just imagine those rock-hard lips the Beast must have; almost like kissing Edward Cullen), but I'm willing to grant it because it makes sense in how it parallels Connor. Of course, Cordelia cannot seduce Angelus as he would kill her first. And maybe turn her.
Instead, he just turns on her. We have an awesome fight scene where Faith is beaten handily. I love the moment when she's on the ground, and for a split second, we can see her smiling. Until then Faith has been very toned down, somber even. The Faith we know had... moxie, for lack of a better term. She had fun in her fights. That sense of fun is missing, which we only notice when it returns just before she's beaten down some more. Of course, that's a hint at her underlying desperation: in a way, she wants to die whilst saving Angel, and in "Orpheus" [4x15] we see that play out.
And then Angelus kills the Beast. It's not a cheat, I don't think. Instead, it's proving Wolfram and Hart right: you don't want that one on your side. That the sun comes back right after is a lucky coincidence. So Angelus quite literally saves the day. I love that. Faith saves her ass with a cool move. I love that, too. In the end, despite the flaws mentioned above, the strong parts are strong enough so that I love this episode and the minor arc that follows.
Finally: what the heck was Cordelia's plan? Can anybody tell me that? So she brings the Beast to L.A., she lets fire rain down, she destroys Wolfram and Hart (in L.A.) and she blots out the sun, all to get Angelus? Really? What kind of over-the-top, ridiculous plan is that? It feels like a total letdown that there's nothing else to all this; the sun comes back and it's all done. It seems pointless and stupid, which is a shame. It starts with a rain of fire, and ends with a whimper.
I want to mention some standout performances here: Alexis Denisof is his usual best; it's amazing how much he can portray without saying anything. Eliza Dushku really was born to play Faith. And a shout-out to David Boreanaz, who always seems liberated when playing Angelus; he has a certain spring in his step that fits really well to the demon being let out of his prison and makes Angelus a joy to watch. And farewell to Stephanie Romanov, whose Lilah I didn't connect with at all during her early appearances, but I end up missing her and regretting her death every time. She was a worthy adversary to Team Angel. At least Wesley still has that folded dollar note.
| - | Minor Pros/Cons (+/-) |
| Pros: | |
| + | Faith breaking the prison glass. |
| + | Wes and Lilah in the basement. |
| + | Connor and Faith fighting. |
| + | Angelus taunting the Beast. |
| Cons: | |
| - | Lorne attacking Connor. |
| - | The demon bar. |
| - | I just have to mention it: I think the names "the Beast" and "the Beastmaster" are dumb. |
| - | Foreshadowing |
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| - | Quotes |
| WESLEY: | Angel's gone, Faith. Angelus is back. |
| : | [long pause] |
| FAITH: | Step away from the glass. |
| ANGELUS: | You don't like lackey? How about uh; toady? Or lickspittle? Ahh, lickspittle's nice. Oh wait, I got it, flunky! That's it! You're just a big, stupid, butt ugly, slow moving, flunky! |
| CONNOR: | So, Vampire Slayers. I was told about them. How come you're always girls? |
| FAITH: | I don't know. Better at it, I guess. |
| ANGELUS: | Aw, crap! You mean killing the Beast really does bring back the sun? I thought that was Angel's retarded fantasy. |
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Everything that an 'A' possesses, but with either a few more mistakes or slightly less power. Generally represents great episodes that are a tiny bit rough around the edges.
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| 1. | TaraAug 16, 2010 (Mon) @ 2:13amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Excellent review, Patrick! You made a lot of good points. I too absolutely loathed the scene with Angelus in the demon bar. Are we really to belive that the Angelus of BtVS Season 2 would be hanging out in a bar with a buch of demons when there are friends of Angel's to be psychologically tortured and killed? Please. Angelus was something of a disappountment this Seasonn, all bluster and no bite. I can understand the writers not wanting their main character to kill anyone, but remember how creepy Angelus was just by sending a box of flowers or leaving a drawing under a pillow? Man, I miss that Angelus.
The Faith scenes are all kinds of awesome. The thing I love about this episode is how she finally - finally - gets to be The Slayer. Not the 'other' Slayer or 'a' Slayer, but THE Slayer. You can really see what it does to her as well after that introduction by Wesley. She's firm, decisive, commanding, rises to the leadership role remarkably. She doesn't do anything arrogant or reckless. It shows volumes about how her character has grown, and it is touching to see the respect she garners from the Fang Gang. It's fascinating as well to see Wesley at last getting to be her Watcher. As for Cordevil... Faith's appearence was a blow to her in more ways than one. Connor fell like a ton of bricks for Faith the second she walked through the door and it's taking all Cordevil's manipulations to keep him on a leash. I'm assuming she didn't want to reveal the pregnancy so soon but did in a last-ditch attempt to bring Connor to heel (and how CREEPY was CC in that final scene?). I agree too that Angelus is definitely a wild card. I'm just fanwanking here, but I don't think Angelus was merely used as a 'distraction' so much as he knows Cordelia better than any of the Fang Gang. He would be the first one to notice she's not herself (as indeed he does, in Players.) Cordevil was right in wanting him out of the way. |
| 2. | buffyholicAug 16, 2010 (Mon) @ 2:58amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great review, Patrick. You made a lot of great points. Although I dislike Connor/Cordelia here and Angelus is kind of weak (though David Boreanaz is amazing), I really love this episode for two main reasons: Faith and Wesley/Lilah in the basement. I adore that scene beyond all reason.
Keep up the good work. |
| 3. | PatrickAug 16, 2010 (Mon) @ 4:15amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Thanks! Tara, I agree that part of Cordy's plan was just to get rid of Angel, but she doesn't try and kill him (which she probably could with the Beast), but to get him to her side. In a way, she thinks Angelus would be a better henchman than Connor and chooses the father over the son even when she's evil :) I think the longer they try and show Angelus, the greater the chance that they fail to live up to our expectations. It's actually almost a miracle how Buffy managed to make Angelus into a viably scary villain because there's a difference between what the characters tell you about him and what they're allowed to show on TV, and so Angelus will never be as dark as you expect him to be. With Buffy, they managed to go the psychological route, and I think they did well on Angel as long as he was in the cage. But as soon as he got out it was time to show us his depravity, and yeah, they fail. They do have the great scene where he intimidates Fred next episode, but on the face of it Angelus drinks from dead Lilah, kills the Beast, and intimidates Fred. And he puts a pencil into a very fake rubbery demon hand. :) |
| 4. | DarthMarionAug 16, 2010 (Mon) @ 3:29pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great review! Agreed, Angelus out of the cage isn't that scary anymore. But we got to remember that he evolved in the same time that Angel did (by the way, what's your take on Angel/us dichotomy?). Still, it was a total let down (one day I actually did count his performances in S4 and it was kinda ridiculous, saving the day, not killing a lot of people and being just annoying...) What's best in your review is your take on Faith, fascinating and spot on! It's a shame you're not continuing your analysis on next episodes! Actually, you should write her season wrap up! It would be great (If I recall correctly, Mike wants to separate the season review by character?)! |
| 5. | KumarAug 16, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:59pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Great review! I completely forgot about Lorne attacking Connor. He did slap Eve in A Hole In The World (5x15) though; I remember watching that thinking it was the first time Lorne flat out attacked someone. |
| 6. | DarthMarionAug 17, 2010 (Tue) @ 3:28amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Besides, since Connor came back from Quort-toht (I never know how to spell it), it was kinda tough love between Lorne and the kid. He basically left because of him (and in order to give the writer a Vegas episode, but that's meta). |
| 7. | Iguana-on-a-stickAug 17, 2010 (Tue) @ 5:40amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Perhaps part of it is their not being able to show depravity, but I'm blaming sloppy writing. Because this is the same season we see Wesley keep Justine in a cage, torture a junkie, decapitate a loved one and encourage Faith to risk killing herself in the interest of saving Angel. And still be more or less a good guy. And this is just two seasons after we saw Angel leave an entire group of lawyers to their deaths in truly callous fashion and sleep with his sire in an effort to lose his soul. On Buffy he mostly goes the psychological route, but the first evidence we see of his change is when he bites a prostitute and sucks cigarette smoke from her -windpipe- and then drops her like so much dirt, blowing the smoke out again with relish. Talk about creepy? They could have Angel wreak havoc in season 4 too, or at least kill some extras. They just didn't. |
| 8. | TaraAug 17, 2010 (Tue) @ 9:41amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| "The first evidence we see of his change is when he bites a prostitute and sucks cigarette smoke from her -windpipe- and then drops her like so much dirt, blowing the smoke out again with relish."
Ah, yes. Good times. Gooood times. The only time Season 4 Angelus came even *close* to the same factor of creepy was when he threatened to rape Fred to death. Other than that? Nada. The characters in S4 kept *talking* about how bad Angelus was, but we never really saw anything that lived up to the hype. Show, don't tell, writers. On Buffy, no one had any idea of what they had unleashed (even Giles only had books to fall back on) while Angelus was gleefully racking up the body count and fucking with everyone. I would have loved to have had a scene of S4 Angelus perhaps torturing Connor, as a) It would be Angelus's perfect revenge after seeing Angel's Season-long work of trying to reconnect with his son, b) It would have made the audience sympathise with Connor, something that was sorely needed at this point, and c) It would have made a heck of a lot more sense when Connor became putty in Cordevil's hands. |
| 9. | PatrickAug 17, 2010 (Tue) @ 9:51amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Iguana: You know what? You're right. I can't help but think that the crucial difference might be that Buffy S2 was intended to showcase Angelus, whereas in S4 it feels more like the writers taking on every plot idea they ever had, including "we need to bring back Angelus". Angelus needs to be the focus of the story, and here he's a distraction from the Beast(master). But your examples really hit home how much the show could do without running afoul of TV regulations. |
| 10. | DarthMarionAug 17, 2010 (Tue) @ 11:32amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Tara, you bring a point in fact about Connor and Angelus. To be honest I don't even understand that Angelus isn't obsessed by Connor this season. He's his son!!! He's a perfect for Angelus..The vampire can manipulate him in every way. He even did a good job while in the cage about Darla... |
| 11. | Iguana-on-a-stickAug 18, 2010 (Wed) @ 4:15amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Yes, you're probably right, Patrick. The Angelus plotline was too much of an afterthought on season 4. I think it's best summed up by the demon in Release in that same bar that annoyed you so much here. DEMON: "Oh, *that* Angelus. Yeah, in here all the time running his mouth. Look at me, I'm so evil. Real jackass. Never liked him. I'm on your side." Incidentally, -that- bar-scene was awesome. Wes and Faith do "don't mess with us, we're scary" so much better than Evil Angel in season 4. WESLEY: "Strom demon. Face should grow back. Eventually." FAITH: "Think yours will?" What were we saying again about what you can get away with on network television? |
| 12. | JammyJuAug 21, 2010 (Sat) @ 11:17amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Angelus's dialogue was incredibily hockey and cheesy at times though. When he is in the bar (this episode?), and he's talking to Cordeval..It just makes me cringe and it's such an awful script, and woefully directed. Mutant Enemy are capable of much better. |
| 13. | PatrickAug 21, 2010 (Sat) @ 1:36pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| JammyJu: that's next episode, when the "Beastmaster" talks to Angelus. And really, Beastmaster is only one step and a ferret familiar away from Unobtanium. |
| 14. | Durandal_1707Aug 22, 2010 (Sun) @ 10:41amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| So the Beast finally gets taken out in this one. I kept wondering why people kept trying to attack something made out of *rock* with things like swords, axes, and even *fists*. Why didn't anyone ever think of bringing a sledgehammer? |
| 15. | PatrickAug 22, 2010 (Sun) @ 2:08pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Ha! Yeah, imagine a moment like in Buffy's Innocence when they bring a sledgehammer to the party. |
| 16. | JonnyDec 26, 2010 (Sun) @ 5:52amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Durandal_1707 is spot on about the Beast. It bugs me the way everyone seems to consider it invincible after bare hands and axes don't work against it. Come on, it's not as though the rules of the buffyverse say our heroes can't use modern weaponry. Buffy herself uses a rocket launcher in Innocence. I agree with most of the review. Lilah finally becomes an interesting character this season and then they kill her off. I really feel for Wes agonising in the basement. He feels he let Lilah down because he couldn't save her from herself, and maybe because he couldn't love her although she loved him. I love the way Wesley is back in charge these last few episodes, deciding to bring back Angelus, then Faith. Best scene is the one in the prison when Faith does her jail break. Having Faith back in the mix more than makes up for some hokey scenes and the writers ignoring some of the characters. I agree Angelus himself is a big let down this season. He was genuinely scary in season 2 Buffy but here he comes off as all bark and no bite. However, I do like that the writers use Angelus's unpredictable nature in this episode to have him the one to kill the Beast. Mind you it does seem to me that someone other than Angelus should have figured out there was something seriously wrong with Cordelia this season. It irritates me the way no-one else notices this is not the Cordelia they knew before - surely they don't put down all her odd behaviour to her being an ex-higher power? A shame you're not reviewing the rest of the Faith episodes, I was looking forward to reading your thoughts. |
| 17. | JMKJan 3, 2011 (Mon) @ 7:02pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| The Angelus-Faith arc was my favorite part of Season 4. I liked " Deep Down", but some of the episodes after the season premiere were kinda so-so. In my opinion, the show needed the injection of Angelus and Faith into the mix, to spice things up a little. However, I will state that Alexis Denishof's darker take on Wesley was a very welcome addition to both the end of Season 3 and throughout Season 4. Watching Wesley and Faith interact with one another was a joy and Eliza and Alexis showed a pretty interesting dynamic. Additionally, I will say that David Boreanaz's performance as Angelus is a always a plus. Though, I felt that the Angelus of "Angel" was subdued in comparison to the extremely creepy Angelus of "BTVS S2". But it was a pleasure to see Angelus nonetheless, as he frustrated Jasdelia (lolz such a creepy storyline), Angel Inc. , and the Beast ( I loved how he taunted the Beast and eventually killed him). |
| 18. | JMKJan 3, 2011 (Mon) @ 7:06pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I would like to add that I was not really into the Jasmine arc that followed the end of these episodes. The storyline was ambitious and interesting in itself, but I never really got into it. Cordelia and Connor really turned me off, as I hate Connor (until 'Not Fade Away' and was creeped out by the cradle-robbing Cordy. To further illustrate my point, the Angelus arc is the best part of Season 4, aside from "Inside Out". The plot twist of taking over Wolfram and Hart was very well-done and interesting. |
| 19. | AaronFeb 13, 2011 (Sun) @ 8:18amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I love that Wesley didn't actually break Faith out of prison but she broke herself out. It shows she could have left whenever she wanted and, that shows that she was committed to her atonement. |
| 20. | Iguana-on-a-stickMay 6, 2011 (Fri) @ 11:51pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Another thought that just occurred to me: the fight in the prison at the start does serve a purpose. It shows that the Bringers can and will strike at Faith even when she's in prison, and that remaining there where her location is known puts her at very considerable risk. She's probably safer on the outside, on the move, fighting alongside people who know what's going on. So in a way that fight further justifies her decision to escape. It also establishes that despite the danger (which she surely realises at least in part) Faith does -not- try to break out or plot an escape after she's attacked. This probably further plays into her death-wish, even though it's far less prominent than it was in "Five by Five." |
| 21. | darknessJun 27, 2011 (Mon) @ 8:29pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| If the Beast blocked out the sun, then why is there sunlight in Faith's prison? Was the sun meant for Los Angeles only, or for every part of the world? Was this why Buffy and the others weren't affected by the Beast's actions? |
| 22. | nathan.taurusJul 16, 2011 (Sat) @ 1:59amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| darkness: Faith said about how there was no sun in LA. Not sure how the sun can only be blocked out of one city?
The Good: Faith! -Wesley not fighting the prison guards so he cannot get in trouble. -Cordelia being pissed that Faith is helping. -Lorne trying to bash in Connor's head. He did it to prove the spell worked, but part of him was just pissed off and wanted to lash out. -Faith getting beat badly in a great fight scene. -Angelus killing The Beast and looking happy until it brings back the sun. -Faith pushing the chains at the window and Angelus' smile fades to shock. The Bad: -Cordelia kissing The Beast. -Cordelia playing up the "I'm evil" characterisation now that the audience knows. Before there was no hints and now the camera pans on her face for her reaction. Crap. Patrick: Good review. I believe the apocalypse and eternal night was so when Jasmine was born the world would be better and people would see her as the saviour of mankind. People see the apocalypse and weeks later perfection so they see Jasmine as God, or a Goddess. She didn't need Angelus. He was a decoy so the gang would be occupied and not notice Cordy until it was too late. |
| 23. | nathan.taurusJul 20, 2011 (Wed) @ 9:10pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I forgot to add.
The Beast calls his master "she". Then Angelus calls his master "he". I cannot understand how Angelus missed the mark and misheard The Beast. It was probably because the writers didn't want the gang to narrow the field by only looking for females and find Cordy sooner. |
| 24. | nathan.taurusJul 29, 2011 (Fri) @ 11:27pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Mistake Alert: I watched the scene again and replayed part of The Beast's speech again and again and realised he says "your orders" not "her orders". It's the accent that got me and he says it soft. Void the above comment: ) |
| 25. | ZRWAug 30, 2011 (Tue) @ 2:24pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I believe Lorne tried to hit Connor because he was the only demon there at the time and they cast the demon-only version of the sanctuary spell. I don't think there was any particular malice behind it, although it would have made more sense if he hadn't used a weapon, and had tested it in a way similar to the way Fred tested the sanctuary spell at Caritas in Lullaby (she lightly tried to slap Gunn). |
| 26. | OzzieOct 14, 2011 (Fri) @ 6:22amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| In my opinion i was actually really disappointed with how the beast was killed in this episode it was so cheap and so awfully convenient for the angel gang,, the beast should have been killed by the angel gang in a unforgettable fight scene without Angel(Angelus)and have it be defeated in a real heroic way,, not just have angelus push a stick unexpectedly into the beast without warning..The beast was one of the most powerful villains the gang had come across and i really would of rather seen it defeated in a more reasonable way |
| 27. | AlexOct 14, 2011 (Fri) @ 7:26amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I agree with Ozzie, more or less. Actually I don't really have a problem with Angelus killing the Beast or even with the weapon that he used to do it, but it was really badly written and as a result, it was all way too convenient. Angelus killing the Beast could have been really cool. I kind of like the idea of him doing it, because it shows that he's very much a lone player who doesn't like to be used by the other bad guys for their own purposes. We've seen that before, in the flashback when he basically tells The Master to get lost because he doesn't want to be one of his lackeys. So no, I don't mind Angelus doing it rather than the rest of the gang. However, his motives should have been much clearer, and he should have had a better reason than simply trying to piss off the Beast's Master. I just find Angelus far too cocky in these episodes. Well, Angelus is always rather cocky, but that cockiness works best when he's still being cunning and ruthless (like in 'Passion', for example). When he shows up in AtS he often verges on comedy-villain buffoonery, which makes him much less convincing as a serious bad guy. I just can't really take him seriously at all in this season, or see him as any real threat to anyone. I also think he should have done it with the full knowledge that he was going to bring back the sun. It would have been much more interesting that way. That stupid line where he says 'what, you mean it really does bring back the sun?' always really annoys me! He seems incredibly stupid here, and it's extremely lame that Faith is then able to stop him simply by letting the sunlight in, leaving him to sneak off with his tail between his legs. And oh look, just as he's decided to kill the Beast, the Beast just happens to have made the exact weapon that he needs to do it. And has it sitting right next to him. Oh yeah, and Angelus somehow also knows exactly how to use this weapon. Again, I think it's a cool idea - the idea that the Beast is so strong that he can only be killed by a weapon forged from himself. But the weapon should't have just appeared right before it was needed, and it certainly shouldn't have just been conveniently lying around for Angelus to pick up. |
| 28. | RosieNov 5, 2011 (Sat) @ 12:44amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Wes and Lilah were in love with each other. I think that despite her "evil" nature, Lilah would have been more willing to admit it in the end. She wasn't plagued by any whore/madonna complex or some illogical need for the "perfect" mate. I'm not so sure about Wes. |
| 29. | LucyNov 28, 2011 (Mon) @ 8:05amView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I agree with Alex. Killing the beast should have taken a bit more effort. Perhaps if Angelus had ripped out his arm and used that to stab him, or a horn or something. That would have been a bit more dramatic and would have earned the death. As it was, it just seemed like the writers got bored of the beast and killed him off as lamely as possible. |
| 30. | KristenJan 22, 2012 (Sun) @ 11:54pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| I'm so confused. I only watched this season sporadically when it was on. I didn't see every episode, so I don't really remember everything that happened. But reading what everyone's writing here, it would seem that this IS really Angelus. And not Angel pretending to be Angelus in order to flush out the Beast's master. WHICH IS RIDICULOUS! The writing stinks of sixth-sense-style hints. Angelus doesn't kill Lilah, but poses with her dead body and waits to be "discovered". Angelus doesn't kill A SINGLE HUMAN BEING in all of his wandering the streets, but loudly proclaims that he's trying to find someone to eat. Angelus kills a vampire in the club, stabs a demons hand, and manhandles bad guys right and left. Then, inexplicably, while the Beast is just about to kill the one person who can probably take Angelus out, Angelus kills the Beast. So, he is kind and good to humans, and kills demons and vampires? Um, that's Angel's prerogative, my friends. There's absolutely no way in the world that this is actually Angelus. If it is, then these writers seriously need to actually watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer and learn how to write these characters! On a completely separate note, the Wesley scenes were just amazing in this episode. I've been watching Angel pretty much just for him since Season 2. |
| 31. | KristenJan 22, 2012 (Sun) @ 11:55pmView This Person's Comments | Link | |
| Ooh-- sorry. Realized I should have clarified in my post above... while I didn't watch the season in full when it was on, I'm REWATCHING it in full now. Hence my commenting on it. :) |
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