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Angelus, one could argue, is the single most powerful force in the fictional universe of both “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” and “Angel: the Series.” Most fans could only argue for a force equal in power. For “Buffy,” Angelus defined her character; having to kill her one true love to save the world was not only heartbreaking for Buffy (and for us, the viewers), it changed her fundamentally. The ramifications of BtVS “Becoming, Part II” (2x22), made her the Slayer; by having to deal with the very most difficult of choices at the highest stakes for the first time, Buffy was no longer a young girl who happened to be a Slayer. She was now a Slayer who also happened to be a young girl, and as the years went by with dangers becoming greater, this only intensified.
All her most difficult experiences, including alienation from her friends as a result of this calling, relationship anxieties with every man she touched, superiority complexes (and the inferiority complexes within them) and a great deal of other issues, can all be traced back in one way or another to her doomed love with Angel, the demon it brought forth and what she had to sacrifice to destroy it.
And if Buffy spent her life in the shadow of that demon, Angel spent his life with it on his shoulders. During both time periods of Angelus’ existence (1753-1898 and 1998), his demonic shadow, a personality that lived to defy the artless, drunken slacker he was in his human life, committed sins too many to count with deviations too horrifying and pre-meditated to name. His drunken, artless life having unwittingly led him to become a vampire, the ensouled Angel’s entire existence was one of a quest for redemption to pay for the crimes of his alter-ego. And the close proximity of Angelus, always within his mind and not too far from the surface, was a constant reminder why saving souls and connecting to them was of the utmost importance: It was all that could deliver him his soul.
(Aside from many other reasons, this is the major flaw of the Angelus arc in S4, as the demon is treated as a completely different entity within the same body as Angel, thereby violating canon and nullifying one of the most interesting and vital pieces to the necessity of Angel’s quest for redemption.)
And so “Eternity” is an interesting and unique little piece, I think. By all accounts, as a critic, I should hate it. Angelus is nothing if not a force to be reckoned with, and this goes for any writer attempting to tackle him as well. I always smile in glee when re-watching BtVS “Innocence” (2x14), visualizing Joss Whedon going mad at the keyboard with those joyously evil entendre’s, but Angelus’ importance as a figure in the Buffy/Angelverse is so crucial that his invocation must be done with great care and purpose. This is why, as a critic, I should really hate this episode. He’s used as little more than a device (even if effectively), and yet some solid writing and screwball timing keep this episode on my good side; it was definitely a surprise hit.
The plot concerns Rebecca, a young and down-on-her-luck actress who is struggling to find a niche a season and a half after the end of her cult TV show (this carries some humour for me reviewing this show after its end). When Angel saves her life by pushing her out of the way of a car, she takes an interest in him, eventually discovering he’s a vampire. This intrigues rather than frightens her, leading her to try and seduce him via the Hollywood method – with a drug – which then leads him to become Angelus. See what I meant?
There’s a moral to the story this week too, and this time it’s honesty. The episode opens with Angel and Wesley panicking, trying to escape, and we find out they’re watching Cordelia at a play. Both are patronizing her later, omitting certain facts; not exactly saying they liked it (the play) or didn’t like it as to not hurt feelings, but in fact lying in the process. And in fact, everyone is lying to each other; Oliver, Rebecca’s agent, lies to her about the attacks and her chances of getting a new role. Angel lies to Rebecca about taking her case and to his friends about his criticisms of them. Rebecca lies to Angel and Cordelia as well, but for different reasons and much worse results.
The worth of the episode comes from how the characters deal in and react to these lies, and how it characterizes them more personally. Angel is omitting truths and in some cases outright lying, however it is often out of his sense of justice. Deciding what’s best for others and how to deal with it has always been a part of his character concerning those he cares about, and so his lies to Wesley, Cordelia and Rebecca were well-intentioned; what he believed was better for their protection and/or happiness.
Rebecca is the counterpoint, lying out of a care only for herself, which is all her existence is concerned with. Unable to see the small amount of love she actually has (coming from her agent Oliver, who wants so desperately to help her that he’s willing to terrorize her), she’s as trapped in her character Raven – a forever young, popular, season-limited woman – as her fans are. That she despises them for this trait is an interesting commentary on how she views herself. And yet she clearly envies them to a point, as desperate to forever be Raven as much as her fans want her to be, and it’s for these motives that Rebecca takes an interest in Angel.
She lies to him, manipulates Cordelia into giving information on his life and his Gypsie curse under the guise of friendship, and drugs his drink with a “happy pill” based on this information, betraying him in the most underhanded of ways. The intentions of these lies are what differentiate her from Angel (selfish as opposed to selfless), and yet the writers are careful enough to make us sympathize with her, the sad and slow deterioration of her life gently revealed throughout the episode. Her motivations are never in question and even in her worst moments she invokes that sympathy, which I though was a smart move. Angel expertly sums it all up mid-transformation: “You think you want to stay the same? What you really want is to make it disappear.”
All the pain, deceit and worries of fading away become too much for her, and a life spent so long in service of only one-self drove Rebecca to this end. And what an end it was. David Boreanaz once again was a delight as Angelus and with a few good lines to back up him up too (still not as masterfully written as Whedon’s invocation, however). It was the scene the episode was built for, because Angelus is, if anything, brutally honest. In an evil way of course; Cordelia herself says of Angelus in "Soulless" [4x11] that he “lies with the truth,” which is true. Angelus’ presence here is to bring out the truth in everyone, as he cruelly recants Angel’s insecurities over his friends’ shortcomings, and terrifies Rebecca with every mannerism and gesture.
Their reactions to the ‘truth of the demon’ are the second important part of the show. Cordelia is stalwart and accepting, as is Wesley as well as brave. The truth is not always the most pleasant thing to hear, but what makes them good people and good friends is that they can take it, both of them adamant in their chastising of Angel, telling him that he needs to be just as honest as the “evil” version of himself. Angel learns this lesson well. Though, I doubt he’s ever so cruel. As for Rebecca, the experience simply overwhelms; the truth wounds her, and she is scared off to never come back. Whether this will improve her personality in the long run or not is left up in the air, but I believe such an alarming dump of cold honesty may have awakened some better part of her, and the difference of it to her false life was a giant shock to handle.
Now as I mentioned earlier, it didn’t sit right with me how Angelus was brought about. I didn’t hate the episode, but the idea that a simple drug, a man-made synthetic chemical could have the same effect as true love, and remove something as important as a soul, is downright insulting. It’s where the episode gets all of its demerits. Maybe it was just a poor understanding of the mythology and frankly, I kind of like to believe that despite the lessons learned here, this thing sort of never happened. Cheap is the value of a soul if a simple drug can remove it, and it also leads me to wonder: If it’s that easy, why did Wolfram and Hart never consider a more powerful version of the drug to turn Angel to their ‘side’, as was their plan for him from this season on?
It’s a shame that the writers couldn’t conceive something better to make Angel lose his soul, or a better plot that wouldn’t have to bring him to that anyway. As much as I enjoy Angelus in every frame, even in the deeply flawed arc of S4, the carelessness of it was just shameful. Maybe Rebecca could’ve learned about Buffy from talking with Cordelia, and slipped Angel a drug that would’ve made him believe he was with her? Would’ve sat better with me than what's here.
Still, there’s value here and this episode is not be totally discounted. If "Somnambulist" [1x11] wasn’t enough of a reminder to the characters of the danger of Angelus, always lurking beneath the surface, this certainly did the trick.
| - | Minor Pros/Cons (+/-) |
| Pros: | |
| + | Cordelia’s line about the ‘idiot network.’ As Whedon fans, how many times have we heard this? |
| + | Oliver’s second appearance. I love the use of continuity in this show! |
| + | Rebecca’s sultry curiousity and embrace of the notion of vampires. |
| + | Cordelia’s giggling. |
| + | Angelus’ brief, but fun, rampage. |
| Cons: | |
| - | The entire idea of the happy pill. Insulting. |
| - | Foreshadowing |
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| - | Quotes |
| CORDELIA: | Okay, so I was loud. But was I any good? |
| WESLEY: | You – took the role and made it your own. |
| CORDELIA: | Really? Thanks. Angel, was I good? |
| ANGEL: | I wouldn’t say it if I didn’t think so. |
| CORDELIA: | Thanks – You didn’t say it.” |
| ANGEL: | I’m not what you think. |
| REBECCA: | You’re not? Because – no reflection - dark, private office, instantly knowing those letters weren’t written in blood, I guess what I would think is - vampire. |
| ANGEL: | Then again... |
| REBECCA: | Which is impossible. Bela Lugosi, Gary Oldman, they’re vampires. |
| ANGEL: | Frank Langella was the only performance I believed but… |
| WESLEY: | Angel’s moment of true happiness occurred because he was with Buffy. You realize how rare that is – true happiness? And what are the odds he’s find that with an actress. |
| CORDELIA: | What’s that supposed to mean? |
| WESLEY: | I was – I meant TV-actress |
| REBECCA: | I wasn’t afraid, was I? When I looked into the mirror and you weren’t there I didn’t scream. I didn’t run. I understood. |
| ANGEL: | No. You weren’t afraid. You looked into that mirror and all you saw was yourself. That’s all you ever see, Rebecca, and that’s what really frightens you. This isn’t about the way the studio, the network, or the fans see you. It’s about how you see yourself. Your own reflection has been corrupted into something unrecognizable. You think you want to stay the same? What you really want is to make it disappear. |
| ANGELUS: | Remind me to get the name of your dealer before I kill you. |
| REBECCA: | (terrified) Kill me? |
| ANGELUS: | In all my years, I’ve never killed a famous person before. But with no witnesses – who’s gonna believe me? Maybe we can take a picture. - I know! We do it like we did back in the day. I’ll keep your head on a stick – as proof! |
| CORDELIA: | Angelus may not be the most relaxing company, but at least he’s honest. Shouldn’t I expect the same from the not-evil version of my friends? |
| ANGEL: | So we’re okay then? |
| CORDELIA: | I’m too big of a person to let something so petty get in the way of our friendship. |
| ANGEL: | I appreciate that. (long silence) You’re not going to untie me, are you? |
| CORDELIA: | (walks away) Pfft! |
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| 80/100 |
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A bit flawed, but otherwise very good. There's a lot of intelligence, character relevance, and/or fun here, but a few nagging problems keep it from rising higher.
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Comments (32)
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| 1. | DafyddMay 23, 2006 (Tue)Link | |
| In the review, Ryan asked the question why W & H never tried to give Angel a super and permanent version of the happy drug to make him lose his soul. I've heard the same question regarding them using a similar demon to the one in BtVS 3x17 Enemies to remove his soul. The Shanshu prophecy requires a vampire champion with a soul. W & H want said champion on their side for the apocolypse. If Angel is Angelus, even if they could recruit him, no longer qualifies for the prophecy. |
| 2. | DingdongMay 23, 2006 (Tue)Link | |
| It's an intriguing theory, but I'm not sure whether I completely agree. For one, we don't know how much W & H actually know about the prophecy at the time, or whether they even have it, because in "Five by Five", they simply want Angel dead, which would seem to imply they weren't thinking long-term with Angel yet. Secondly, W & H seem throughout the S2 arc to be attempting to bring Angel out of the game by turning him dark, distracting him from his real path, but not winning him over to their side. It seemed to be more of an attempt to weaken the forces against them rather than win them over. Personally, I felt the drug at the end of "Eternity" was merely a rather lazy plot device to have Angelus "Back" without any long-term effects. To be honest I don't think "Eternity" was meant to have any long-term bearing. |
| 3. | FallenMay 23, 2006 (Tue)Link | |
| I agree that Eternity was definately structured around not bringing him back but instead just being a one-off and that's why I really dislike the episode. It messes with a lot of stuff just for a cheap thrill and I didn't think it was neccessary. However the prophecy clearly states that "The vampire with a soul will play an important role in the apocalypse" and turning him into Angelus would obviously make him useless. It wasn't W&H trying to kill him in Five by Five it was a few lawyers working outside the system. And of course it all comes down to the most important aspect...the story. |
| 4. | bookwormMay 24, 2006 (Wed)Link | |
| As I understand it, they had to make clear to new people who hadn't watched BtVS before (especially s.2) that angel without a soul wasn't good company. because that's the story's premise: a evil guy turned good seeking redemption; but the important thing is to make clear, that he's not just quite a bad guy, but something really, really to be scared of (which they destroyed by AtS. S.4), that you shouldn't mess with that, also in terms of, why he really shouldn't have a girlfriend, and how fine the line is, he walks. For me that's one of the first AtS-eps, that worked (next to Rmwav), but tastes are different. And I have to admit, I always like the game: is he evil, is he not (until s.4: because he was all talk) |
| 5. | DingdongJul 28, 2006 (Fri)Link | |
| Sorry, but I couldn't agree less. For me, Eternity is one of the low points of the generally mixed S1. |
| 6. | mikejerJul 28, 2006 (Fri)Link | |
| I don't mind parts of "Eternity," but as a whole I was never wild about it myself either. Although I think Ryan graded it pretty fairly (though I'd score it lower myself). Ryan already knows this, but I feel a bit different about S1 than he does. I feel, like DD said, it's a really mixed season in terms of quality. It is one of my least favorite Buffyverse seasons. The lack of any sort of cohesiveness in overall arc and theme really turned me off. If I ever do my own Angel reviews, you guys can expect, overall, lower scores. |
| 7. | GroundedJul 29, 2006 (Sat)Link | |
| What didn't you like about it? "The lack of any sort of cohesiveness in overall arc and theme really turned me off." Are you kidding? Lack of cohesiveness of theme?? Angel is 95% theme for crying out loud! ;) |
| 8. | mikejerJul 29, 2006 (Sat)Link | |
| Okay, you're right. It does have theme. But S1 doesn't have an arc and I find the quality of the episodes a lot more sketchy than Ryan does. |
| 9. | GroundedJul 29, 2006 (Sat)Link | |
| It doesn't have a blatantly obvious story arc, no, but I wouldn't class that as a negative factor. Besides, it's not completely arc-less. Both episodes 1 and 2 initiate sub-arcs that weave in and out of the standalones all the way up to the finale. |
| 10. | DingdongJul 29, 2006 (Sat)Link | |
| In answer to your question Grounded, I didn't like the mixed bag of quality, that resulted in "She", "The Ring", "Eternity", and "Expecting" plus a few episodes which disappointed slightly although generally being worthwhile. Ats seemed to start out with less of an overal arc, perhaps because it had series wide plans rather than season wide ones like Buffy. Overall, I think the only really outstanding episodes in S1 are Five by Five and Sanctuary. |
| 11. | mikejerJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| I'd thrown "To Shanshu in LA" too Dingdong. I also liked "Blind Date" considerably. It's a 'good' season but I wouldn't classify it as 'great'. |
| 12. | DingdongJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| I like To Shanshu in LA, but I've always considered it rather overrated, and I wouldn't classify it as standout. Nor Blind Date, even though that's pretty good in some ways. But for me, Five by Five is still my favourite episode of Angel, and Sanctuary isn't far behind. I actually think both are better than "Who are You", which is definately high praise for me. |
| 13. | GroundedJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| I agree She and Expecting aren't up there, but as standalones I think Eternity and The Ring are both excellent at what they do. Not outstanding, I agree, but still good. Standouts from S1: City Of, In The Dark, Bachelor Party (come on - I'm a Doyle fan!), I Will Remember You, Hero, Somnambulist, I've Got You Under My Skin, Five By Five, Sanctuary, To Shanshu In LA I agree with Ryan - aside from a few blips (and EVERY season of A and B has these), A1 is 80+ all the way. :D |
| 14. | DingdongJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| And yet you think S5 is poor? I can't understand it! Seriously, though, The Ring is utterly predictable. Also, pretty uncompelling and simplistic at points. Eternity had potential and a good idea, but failed to explore it very well, and turned into an excuse to bring back Angelus temporarily. The standalones you listed: City Of, In The Dark, Bachelor Party (come on - I'm a Doyle fan!), I Will Remember You, Hero, Somnambulist, I've Got You Under My Skin, Five By Five, Sanctuary, To Shanshu In LA City of is good, I agree, but I wouldn't say standout. It introduces the main theme and concept well but is flawed by some duff bits (Doyle's explanation of Angel's backstory) and a few bits where style takes over too much. In the Dark is the only S1 episode I haven't seen, so I won't comment, but The Bachelor Party is, although undeniably entertaining, rather flawed and cliched in some respects. Hero I like probably more than most Angel fans, but it can't be denied the principle villains are rather unsubtle in the metaphor and admittedly does bugger up continuity (not as much a problem with me as other fans, though) Somnambulist is probably one of the best episodes after Five by Five/Sancturary, but I remember some flaws in the way it was presented that brought it down slightly for me. I don't like I've Got You Under My Skin. Sorry, I know it's many people's favourites, but I just don't like it. That brings me to "To Shanshu in LA". For most people, it's one of the best finales, but I'm not sure why. It's very good in places, and has some powerful parts, but certain areas of the story fall flat to me. The Demon never really works, and Angel's reactions (or lack of) to his prophecied death aren't explored enough. And although admittedly exciting in places, it isn't really paced right. The main problem I have with Ats S1 is not so much the overall lack of proper arc, so much as the fact that it both goes for an arc and goes for standalones. I personally feel it should have had definate standalones, and more arc-orientated episodes, instead of trying to mix the two. It always left me somewhat unsatisfied, and didn't really work as well as it should have. If you compare the standalones to Buffy's, they aren't nearly as accomplished. And the arc doesn't move along fast enough or cover enough ground to make up for this. |
| 15. | GroundedJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| "And yet you think S5 is poor? I can't understand it!" Eh? When did I ever say that? |
| 16. | DingdongJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| Sorry, I should have specified: Buffy S5. |
| 17. | GroundedJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| I don't hate B5, but it doesn't have a hell of a lot good going for it either. Didn't we just do the Glory dissection not long ago? ;) |
| 18. | DingdongJul 30, 2006 (Sun)Link | |
| Well, I thought Glory was the weakest thing about it, but I thought everything else was great. Glory didn't feature heavily in most episodes until Intervention, and the quality of the rest of the arc and the standalone material was excellent IMO.AeC |
| 19. | AeCOct 13, 2007 (Sat)Link | |
| (Aside from many other reasons, this is the major flaw of the Angelus arc in S4, as the demon is treated as a completely different entity within the same body as Angel, thereby violating canon and nullifying one of the most interesting and vital pieces to the necessity of Angel’s quest for redemption.)
I'd need to watch S4 again to be sure, but I always took the "distinct entity" route as more of a metaphorical distinction, a separate part of the whole that had to be subdued and brought into balance (although this treatment did initially bug me). To put it in Freudian terms, which I generally loathe although they do provide some nice shorthand, Angelus is the id, Angel's trapped soul is the superego, and the Angel that Angelus and Faith meet in Angel/Angelus' mind is the ego which, no longer having two conflicting impulses to mediate between, has become lost. It could be argued that the "separate entity" theory has some precedence in "The Dark Age" from Buffy S2. When the demon jumps from Jenny into Angel, who handily defeats it, he comments that he's had a demon in him for a couple hundred years that's been waiting for a good fight. |
| 20. | AeCOct 13, 2007 (Sat)Link | |
| (Aside from many other reasons, this is the major flaw of the Angelus arc in S4, as the demon is treated as a completely different entity within the same body as Angel, thereby violating canon and nullifying one of the most interesting and vital pieces to the necessity of Angel’s quest for redemption.)
I'd need to watch S4 again to be sure, but I always took the "distinct entity" route as more of a metaphorical distinction, a separate part of the whole that had to be subdued and brought into balance (although this treatment did initially bug me). To put it in Freudian terms, which I generally loathe although they do provide some nice shorthand, Angelus is the id, Angel's trapped soul is the superego, and the Angel that Angelus and Faith meet in Angel/Angelus' mind is the ego which, no longer having two conflicting impulses to mediate between, has become lost. It could be argued that the "separate entity" theory has some precedence in "The Dark Age" from Buffy S2. When the demon jumps from Jenny into Angel, who handily defeats it, he comments that he's had a demon in him for a couple hundred years that's been waiting for a good fight. |
| 21. | wytchcroftAug 3, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| bookworm, quote: For me that's one of the first AtS-eps, that worked (next to Rmwav), but tastes are different.
LOL! Clearly, since i hate RWAV* from top to bottom and i think this is a very weak episode too. *Although top comedy points should be awarded for the dvd bonus quote; "What i like about RWAV is that it uses the idea of someone moving into their first home as a metaphor for someone moving into their first home." Genius! |
| 22. | wytchcroftAug 3, 2009 (Mon)Link | |
| As for 'Eternity', Ryan you're right to mention DB's acting, and everyone here is pretty good - the problem is the characterisation.
After all the episodes spent carefully developing Cordelia, visions, skill, personality - willingness to dismember dead demons etc. This story is vicious to her presenting us with an airhead bad actress who yipes a lot. It's no wonder the fake vision gag falls so flat. Cordy and Wesley also spend much time telling each other things the already know they know. Grr Arrgh. Really, this should have been a lot earlier in the season. Rebecca Lowell. Who cares? And the manager... would have got away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky - at which point i fling this out the window to lie next to the charred remnants of Expecting. |
| 23. | MiscellaneopolanNov 15, 2009 (Sun) @ 3:58pmLink | |
| There's an interesting theory about this episode that might help resolve some of its contradictions. Some say that the Angelus we see in this episode isn't Angelus at all, but is merely Angel with his inhibitions removed by the drug. His soul is still in there, but a combination of the effects of the drug, the suggestion that he might revert into Angelus, and the opportunity to terrorize a pretty woman combine to make him act in a way that maybe he's been secretly wanting to act for a long time. Angel puts up a good front, but Angelus is always beneath the surface, and the seduction of evil can be powerful. Numb (but not remove) the parts of Angel that hold the evil back, and you may get something like the Angel we see in Eternity. Obviously, there's a ton of problems with the theory. The writers, for one, certainly treat it as a full-on transformation, but why should we let a trivial thing like authorial intent get in the way of discussion? I kind of like it. It implies that the line separating Angel from Angelus is much less clear than we've been led to believe, which is miles more unsettling than a drug that somehow removes Angel's soul. Of course, the show will go on to trace that line in bright-red magic marker in Season 4, but we'll just ignore that. |
| 24. | Iguana-on-a-stickJan 4, 2010 (Mon) @ 11:54amLink | |
| Do the writers treat it like a full on transformation? WESLEY: He hasn't really turned. It's an illusion, not real. REBECCA: He bit me. WESLEY: Still, we might want to leave the premises for a while, just until the effects wear off. This does seem to agree with the "not really Angelus" theory. I think there's very little distance between Angel without inhibition and Angel without soul. He is still a vampire, still has the instinct to hunt and kill, and with the drug removing his inhibitions, reverting to his other persona makes sense. I think it's significant that Angel first appears to start wanting Rebecca's blood, then gets angry at her and violently feeds her the blood from the fridge, which fits the lowering of inhibitions but isn't like Angelus. It is only when she [i]tells[/i] him it is a happiness pill that he reverts to the full-on Angelus persona. It seems to me like Angel believes he has lost his soul whilst in the drug-haze, and with his inhibitions gone as well acts as if it is true. What we see on screen here seems to fit the theory that Angel really always has the potential to be like Angelus, soul or no soul, and that the soul is just what gives him the willpower and knowledge of good and evil he needs to be a good man despite his dark/vampiric impulses. And yes, season four contradicts this. Oh well. If there's internal inconsistencies in the story I get to pick which version I like best and believe that. |
| 25. | Nathan.TaurusJan 17, 2010 (Sun) @ 9:10pmLink | |
| Angel/Angelus: In the 'BtVS' episode, 'Lie to Me', Buffy tells Ford that turning into a vampire means that a demon 'sets up shop in your old house' and it walks and talks and remembers your life, but it isn't you. Which would mean that Angelus is a completely different demon that inhabits Angels body all the time and it is this demon that comes out to control the body when he is Angelus.
It has also been said on this post in 'BtVS' episode, 'The Dark Age' that Angel's demon (Angelus) won the fight againt the one inside Jenny. But thinking of this, how would Angel or Liam remember what the demon did for that 145 years if Liams soul was gone and the demon was controlling the body? Anyway it was great to see Angelus back and mocking Cordelia. "J-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-LINE!" |
| 26. | Iguana-on-a-stickJan 19, 2010 (Tue) @ 1:59amLink | |
| The show is not always consistent with its mythological aspects. But in Dopplegangland Buffy makes the same assertion about a vampire being a demon just taking over a human's body and Angel starts to contradict her but she doesn't listen... I think the completely dualistic view of vampires is something like the Watcher Party Line, something they tell their slayers so it's easier to kill vampires, not the full truth. As for the Dark Age, Angel is and remains a human/demon hybrid whichever way you interpret the evidence, and obviously his soul struggles against his demonic nature whether you see said nature as a separate person inside him or as his dark and murderous vampiric impulses he has to keep under control at all times. The story works either way. |
| 27. | Nathan.TaurusJan 23, 2010 (Sat) @ 6:53pmLink | |
| For some reason I thought about it again and my thinking is this: Angel had his soul returned to him in 1898 with an add on curse that stated if he had one true moment of happiness, it would be taken from him. When Willow returned his soul in 'Becoming Pt 2" she did not include any curse so how do we know that he still has the curse?
It has been implied in both series' that he cannot have true happiness and the 'happiness pill' was just chemical suggestion as Wesley said. Perhaps it was a strong enough chemical that Angel believed it enough to relax and the demon Angelus took over his body for that short time without losing his soul. If you look at this episode that way it makes a little bit more sense. But wouldn't it be funny if Angel didn't have a curse on his soul anymore after having it returned twice (season 2 BtVS, season 4 AtS) without such add ons. |
| 28. | CirrusMar 1, 2010 (Mon) @ 1:02pmLink | |
| I agree with Nathan.Taurus, I don't think the point was that Angel had 'lost his soul' at any point, Angelus just sort of... took over. Which I think is a little strange in itself. It's THAT easy to get something out that should only be able to take over when he loses his soul? Plus, this episode made it seem like Angelus was an *alter ego* of Angel. I have to admit that it's better than Angelus being seen as a separate entity, but I still think alter ego is going a bit far.
I would like this episode... if it weren't for Rebecca. Why on earth would Angel want to sleep and pursue a relationship with this random muppet of a bint? He's never shown any interest in having a relationship with anyone else so far, and yet he meets this one woman one time (saves her, actually, but that's not exactly unusual for Angel) and suddenly trusts her. Bit of a sloppy episode -- I don't think Angelus and finally a love interest other than Buffy should have been covered in the same episode, and as you say, Angelus didn't have as good scripting as on BtVS. Plus... Cordelia kind of annoyed me in this episode. I understand that it's part of her character to be superficial, self-centred and air-headed, and rarely serious, but still, I have to wonder how she can be that irritating all of the time. |
| 29. | IsheApr 25, 2010 (Sun) @ 1:36pmLink | |
| After watching this episode, I never really thought that Angel lost his soul at at, or even that he lost his inhibitions. After the end, I was left with the impression that he was unaffected by the drug. I thought all of the rest of it was an act. He had done this sort of thing before after all, with Faith. Plus Rebecca needed to be understand just how dangerous vampires really were. There was some collateral damage to Wes and Cordelia, so he couldn't fill them in on everything afterward. |
| 30. | David@PragueMay 6, 2010 (Thu) @ 4:39pmLink | |
| Ryan, I respectfully disagree with your opinion on the drug lameness. Actually, it was several times said that "soul" is that part which help people to discern between good and evil - and quite frankly, thats exactly what is damaged by drugs using. No more good / evil thinking, no more conscience - just "fun" and "need" mode. Exactly what happened to Angel, is it not ? |
| 31. | LibMaxJun 22, 2010 (Tue) @ 2:58pmLink | |
| I always wondered if Angel really lost his soul temporarily or if he simply decided to play Angelus in a last-ditch attempt to scare Rebecca into sanity. He'd tried reasoning with her, he'd tried lecturing her. If he just said no to her, she'd have kept trying, and it's entirely possible the entertainment division at Wolfram and Hart would have returned her call (among other possibilities). I think it's possible he was trying to give her a good strong taste of what she was playing with, and then when Cordelia and Wesley walked in he was stuck playing in character (as when Angel and Faith bumped into Xander in Enemies). True, afterward he played it as if he had temporarily lost his soul, but would Wesley and (particularly) Cordelia been more understanding or less understanding if he'd admitted that he was faking? We've seen him cover up stuff like that before - in Dopplegangland when Buffy says that a vampire's character has nothing to do with the person he or she once was and Angel starts to correct her and then waffles. |
| 32. | LibMaxJun 22, 2010 (Tue) @ 3:00pmLink | |
| Sorry, missed Ishe's comment above. |
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